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Postby dazed_and_confused » Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:26 am

Alycidon wrote:This would be just about where the new Argyle Line tunnel from Kelvinhaugh Junction would burst into the formation of the original Caley formation.


Do those tunnels join up, the same as the other ones down by the Exhibition Centre station?

Also, I was walking to Burger King for lunch today from (ain't I healthy! ::): ), and I noticed something tunnel like that I hadn't seen before. It's immediately south of the Odeon building at the quay. On the road, there's 2 sections of wall that caught my eye. Looking round the back, shows the ground dropping down, and a bog standard 'railway tunnel - no entry' fence put up.

Google Earth shows a light patch on the road, the width of the tunnel/bridge at the lights on Paisley road. From the air, it looks like it goes just down to the M8/Sheilds road crossing. If I remember correctly, there's a big concrete ditch under the motorway. Then it would appear to split (above ground?), and join on the Glasgow-Paisley railway line.

Is this right, or am I just suffering from Burger King enduced hallucinations? I've not heard anything about it on here, which is why I'm wondering....

I'll investigate when I'm back at work on Friday, with my trusty tunnel exploring friend Chris. :D

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Postby dazed_and_confused » Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:45 am

Whoops, found it. Was spelling Springfield wrong in the search box, which is why nothing turned up. :oops:

For those of you who are interested, you can see it here.....

http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1260&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

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Postby McShad » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:51 am

Do you mean the tunnel that Scotland street goes over at the bottom of Sheilds Road? Under to motorway?
If you walk around the lane at the other side, you'll walk along the wall and cobble path. Buildings like Litecraft have been built over it now
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Postby Alycidon » Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:54 am

Hi Guys

dazed_and_confused wrote:Alycidon wrote:
This would be just about where the new Argyle Line tunnel from Kelvinhaugh Junction would burst into the formation of the original Caley formation.


Do those tunnels join up, the same as the other ones down by the Exhibition Centre station?


I would doubt this, at the Exhibition Centre junction the tunnel that is in use and the disused one existed prior to reopening so there was no point in spending money to close it off but at the point where the new formation was created I would think that the new concrete tunnel would close off the old formation, but I would not rule out the existance of an emergency access door at the location.

Regarding the access tracks to General Terminus Quay, apart from the deep cutting that carried the main approach tracks there was also a little known tunnel that gave access to the GSWR route up to the City Union Line, will try and post map and photo's tonight.

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Postby james73 » Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:32 am

Alycidon wrote:Hi Guys

dazed_and_confused wrote:Alycidon wrote:
This would be just about where the new Argyle Line tunnel from Kelvinhaugh Junction would burst into the formation of the original Caley formation.


Do those tunnels join up, the same as the other ones down by the Exhibition Centre station?


I would doubt this, at the Exhibition Centre junction the tunnel that is in use and the disused one existed prior to reopening so there was no point in spending money to close it off but at the point where the new formation was created I would think that the new concrete tunnel would close off the old formation, but I would not rule out the existance of an emergency access door at the location.

Old and Current tunnels
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The in-tunnel junction
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The blockage in the Yorkhill tunnel - the new line burrows in from the
right beyond this blockage
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Alycidon wrote:Regarding the access tracks to General Terminus Quay, apart from the deep cutting that carried the main approach tracks there was also a little known tunnel that gave access to the GSWR route up to the City Union Line, will try and post map and photo's tonight.

JBH

You mean, from General Terminus to the original Canal lines? Would like to
see photos of that - a small project of mine would benefit from that...



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Postby Alycidon » Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:27 am

I have tried to annotate a Google Earth view as an initial attempt to show the course of the abandoned tunnel. It is shown in blue, running from Scotland Street Junction on the General Terminus branch to Port Eglinton Junction on the GSWR line. The GSWR line was totally abandoned when St Enoch was closed as the parallel Glasgow and Paisley Joint line could carry all traffic, although the layout had to be changed further to the west as originally you couldn't access the Paisley Canal line from Glasgow Central.

The Key to the photo:
Light Blue = Former Caledonian main line, still open
Yellow = GSWR Main line, closed and lifted
Orange = City Union Line (joint)
Magenta = General Terminus branch, closed and lifted
Red = General Terminus branch, still used for freight
Dark Blue = Connecting tunnel from General Terminus branch to GSW line

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Postby james73 » Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:41 am

Looks about right. Theres a picture in "An Illustrated History of Glasgow's Railways"
which shows a double-headed steam train hauling coal (I think) away from the
General Terminus branch. It says it's viewed from the Caledonian part of Shields
Road station, but is this train on the General Terminus branch or the connecting line? :?



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Postby scotia47 » Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:53 pm

james73 wrote:The in-tunnel junction
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Interesting. For some reason I had always thought that the junction was a lot more compact than this.

What also interests me is how that photo got taken in the first place, considering that the line is open. :?
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Postby birdie » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:40 pm

That dark blue line is very interesting. The tunnel is under there somewhere, but no access is known. Spent hours looking for it once and never found it. May pay another visit sometime.

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Postby McShad » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:47 pm

Just at the north point of that blue line, its interesting the way the parked cars snake down to that point.

I know there is a tunnel under the main line at the sheildhall depot... I've seen a long coal train sitting in it before... the engine on the north side and the rest on the sheildhall depot side... just a memory from the days when I worked in Ayr *edit* this lies to the west of this point
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Postby james73 » Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:00 pm

Alycidon wrote:I have tried to annotate a Google Earth view as an initial attempt to show the course of the abandoned tunnel. It is shown in blue, running from Scotland Street Junction on the General Terminus branch to Port Eglinton Junction on the GSWR line. The GSWR line was totally abandoned when St Enoch was closed as the parallel Glasgow and Paisley Joint line could carry all traffic, although the layout had to be changed further to the west as originally you couldn't access the Paisley Canal line from Glasgow Central.

The Key to the photo:
Light Blue = Former Caledonian main line, still open
Yellow = GSWR Main line, closed and lifted
Orange = City Union Line (joint)
Magenta = General Terminus branch, closed and lifted
Red = General Terminus branch, still used for freight
Dark Blue = Connecting tunnel from General Terminus branch to GSW line

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:?

You've showed the General Terminus branch conncting to the GSW line, but both
the images below show it connecting to the City Union line, and "An Illustrated
History of Glasgow's Railways" also shows this.

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Postby Alycidon » Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:16 pm

Hi James and all

Thats what I get for throwing things together from memory at work!

You are quite correct in saying that the branch to terminus junction connected with the City Union line, but much further to the East than the map shows, and Ewan's diagram is also wrong as it show the branch connecting from the north.

I have attached two sections of the Alan Godfrey edition as well as my diagram based on this map. Hope it clarifies.


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Postby james73 » Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:34 pm

Those are great scans. What's the book called?

Is it just me or does the second scan seem to show only two lines crossing
Salkeld Street? Presumably a map prior to St Enoch being extended?



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Postby Alycidon » Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:25 pm

HI James

It is scanned from the Alan Godfrey edition Old Ordnance Survey map (Glasgow Sheet 14) Pollokshields 1894, and it does only show two tracks approaching St Enoch.

These maps are superb VFM, available from http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/scotland1.htm at £2.20 each. Needless to say I have several. They make for interesting comparisons with the Google Earth views.
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Postby DickyHart » Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:27 am

for those who may be interested in going down to botanics station at any point. Lord Sleek was looking to go down the other day so i took him and there is new fencing up, stronger than the last time, just letting ya know if anyone had not been down before.
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