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The Egg Man wrote: Similarly it is not anticipated that there will be any reduction of the establishment of existing police civilian staff who resource the public counters. In actual terms these changes will allow me to deploy more officers into the community as my officers will not be required to staff public counters when civilian staff are on holiday, training, absent etc."
HelenD wrote:I suppose the next thing we can look forward to is a load of G4S on workfare filling in.
I don't go to the desk at the local nick any more because of the surly boneheaded hominids-as-yet-undescribed-by-science that lurk behind the counter.
Morroccomole wrote: 3 mutants for the price of 1 fully trained, experienced Police Officer! a bean counters heaven.
Josef wrote:Morroccomole wrote: 3 mutants for the price of 1 fully trained, experienced Police Officer! a bean counters heaven.
Sir : a Police officer can retire in his forties on two-thirds of a generous salary. A bean-counter's nightmare.
RDR wrote:Josef wrote:Morroccomole wrote: 3 mutants for the price of 1 fully trained, experienced Police Officer! a bean counters heaven.
Sir : a Police officer can retire in his forties on two-thirds of a generous salary. A bean-counter's nightmare.
Do you really want 68 year old police offficers chasing neds then? Or for that matter a 60 year old fireman turning up to rescue you from an RTC?
These guy's pay far more into their pensions than anyone else to take account of the 30 year qualification rule, in recognition of the fact that it might not really be suitable for them to continue into their 60's.
Josef wrote:Morroccomole wrote: 3 mutants for the price of 1 fully trained, experienced Police Officer! a bean counters heaven.
Sir : a Police officer can retire in his forties on two-thirds of a generous salary. A bean-counter's nightmare.
Morroccomole wrote:Josef wrote:Morroccomole wrote: 3 mutants for the price of 1 fully trained, experienced Police Officer! a bean counters heaven.
Sir : a Police officer can retire in his forties on two-thirds of a generous salary. A bean-counter's nightmare.
Sir : a Police officer currently pays twelve and a quarter percent of his salary into his pension fund, soon to rise to thirteen and a half percent. Not aware of anyone in the Public Sector who contributes more but I know many who contribute a lot, a lot less.
Josef wrote:Morroccomole wrote:Josef wrote:Morroccomole wrote: 3 mutants for the price of 1 fully trained, experienced Police Officer! a bean counters heaven.
Sir : a Police officer can retire in his forties on two-thirds of a generous salary. A bean-counter's nightmare.
Sir : a Police officer currently pays twelve and a quarter percent of his salary into his pension fund, soon to rise to thirteen and a half percent. Not aware of anyone in the Public Sector who contributes more but I know many who contribute a lot, a lot less.
I don't think, if you're a policeman, that you want to get into this argument, and I don't really either, but...
So, one-eight of salary (tax-deductible, so therefore probably closer to one-sixteenth) for thirty years. Which yields two-thirds for very probably the same length of time.
Shall we compare that to an A&E nurse, on half the salary, who can expect (over the same period) a pension of just over a third of salary collectable only when they get to sixty (i.e. about a quarter of the average police pension, payable for half the time) for a job no less (and probably more) dangerous/stressful?
Morroccomole wrote:The average salary for an A&E nurse is around £23000, although I stand to be corrected. This is well above being half the salary of a Police Officer as mentioned.
Josef wrote:Morroccomole wrote:The average salary for an A&E nurse is around £23000, although I stand to be corrected. This is well above being half the salary of a Police Officer as mentioned.
Point taken, but.. you'd have to be a really incompetent numpty not to make it above Constable level in thirty years.
The Egg Man wrote:.... unless you didn't want to. Many don't.
There's also the issue that the promoted post profile of police forces has changed a lot in recent years. It was something of a pyramid. It's now more of a pin and this process will only get more pronounced post single force restructuring.
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