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HollowHorn wrote:
And with all of the above, they still missed most of their industrial targets in Clydebank. We'll just put it down to pilot error. ::):
Dugald wrote:Socceroo, the information you posted about some of the hardware items available from the Luftwaffe's arsenal is very interesting, and while it certainly belongs in the Bombs over Glasgow thread, I don't believe it is relevant to the topic currently under discussion. I mean, with or without these weapons, the Luftwaffe's attacks on Glasgow could be indiscriminate and wanton or not indiscriminate and wanton. You believe they were indiscriminate and wanton; I believe they weren't indiscriminate and wanton..............
Socceroo wrote:Now i have conceded (although i already knew this and did not think to the contrary) that the bombing was planned. Can you concede that the net effects of getting a 1000kg Luftmine landing in someones back garden in Hyndland is pretty indiscriminate (in the non selective sense) and we can all move on before we bore everyone to death.
Roxburgh wrote:I agree with Escotregen. Pilot error insofar as they lacked the technical means to ensure reasonable accuracy in the bombing. Indeed, accurate bombing only really became available with "smart" bombs which had some form of guidance. The RAF used laser guidance in the latter stages of the Falklands war but, in wars prior to that, bombing was very much hit or miss.
Dugald wrote:Your excellent post here Roxburgh, clarifies clearly what I was trying to say to HH. The "great armada" style of bombing never really did hit the Clydeside just as hard as we perhaps, had expected. Oh yes, Clydebank did, sadly, get hit hard, but even this was hardly a patch on what the likes of Hamburg and Dresden suffered, in what I'd describe as "great armada style of bombing". !
HollowHorn wrote:Seriously though, this is the first time that I have heard that the bombing of the residential areas of Clydebank was deliberately calculated with the intent to kill off the employees of the shipbuilding & armaments factories. I really shoud read more on the subject. In fact, this thread is getting so interesting that I may well go back to page 1 and read it all again. At the very least it may start me on a quest to seek out all the bits that we have missed.
Anyhoo, the reason Clydebank didn't get hit as hard as London or Coventry is the big luftwaffe squadrons were all in N. France or Germany and didn't have the range to get to the Clydeside. Oban was bounced by Heinkels on a few occasions as well for the convoy holding area in Ardmucknish Bay.
Dugald wrote:The essential idea in this discussion is that the bombing of the residential area in Clydebank was not indiscriminate and wanton bombing. To my way of thinking, there is a helluva difference between saying "The Luftwaffe bombed Clydebank indiscriminately and wantonly", as opposed to simply saying " The Luftwaffe bombed Clydebank". The first suggests a level of barbarism, the second suggests an act of war... a big, big difference, especially to your European brethren, the Germans.
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