Dialect words and usage

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Re: Dialect words and usage

Postby Dexter St. Clair » Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:38 pm

Elevator has its roots in Latin and one might say precedes its use as a name for the lift Otis invented in the states.

US English often preserves the use of words and spellings in common usage in the British Isles when our betters were speaking French.

Then again once the talkies came in along with jazz records Glaswegians picked up Americanisms with enthusiasm even young people who spent more than three years in secondary education.
"I before E, except after C" works in most cases but there are exceptions.
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Re: Dialect words and usage

Postby Tamo » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:09 pm

RapidAssistant wrote:Has anyone noticed that a lot of American English words like "gotten" are starting to creep into everyday speech these days. I've heard people talking about "the elevator" instead of "lift" - any other examples?


Several once well established British words have been at least partially supplanted by the US equivalent in my lifetime.
"Sweater" instead of "jumper"; "movie" instead of "film"; "truck" instead of "lorry". I've even heard increasingly frequent references to "the gas pedal", rather than "the accelerator". Also, in the last few years the words "chiropodist" and "chemist (as applied to a shop like Boots) seem to be disappearing in favour of "podiatrist" and "pharmacist", although I don't know if these two are American derived, or just sound more posh, in line with the "refuse operative" aka midgie man.
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Re: Dialect words and usage

Postby Dexter St. Clair » Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:47 am

Could we posibly have some references or evidence as we used to call it before Americanisms took over for this nonsense?
"I before E, except after C" works in most cases but there are exceptions.
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Re: Dialect words and usage

Postby pingu » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:30 am

i got called "Jim" the other night.

"are they showing the football Jim?"

not even heard anyone say that in years as its been mostly replaced by "mate" or "pal"
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Re: Dialect words and usage

Postby Bridie » Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:07 am

"Article" ie person
as in "see that bad/mad/silly Article over there"

Think it has an Irish or Ulster Scot origin as it's still used over here.
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Re: Dialect words and usage

Postby sandabound » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:39 pm

Bridie wrote:"Article" ie person
as in "see that bad/mad/silly Article over there"

Think it has an Irish or Ulster Scot origin as it's still used over here.


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Re: Dialect words and usage

Postby SomeRandomBint » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:26 pm

Bridie wrote:"Article" ie person
as in "see that bad/mad/silly Article over there"

Think it has an Irish or Ulster Scot origin as it's still used over here.


My Grandmother and Grandfather (from Edinburgh and Glasgow respectively) used to routinely refer to me as a "clatty article" or sometimes "clarty article" (which has a better rhyme) as a child. Usually when I'd been out playing all day.

Not sure if that helps to discover the etymology, but thanks for the reminder of my childhood! :)
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Re: Dialect words and usage

Postby Bridie » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:15 am

SomeRandomBint wrote:
Bridie wrote:"Article" ie person
as in "see that bad/mad/silly Article over there"

Think it has an Irish or Ulster Scot origin as it's still used over here.


My Grandmother and Grandfather (from Edinburgh and Glasgow respectively) used to routinely refer to me as a "clatty article" or sometimes "clarty article" (which has a better rhyme) as a child. Usually when I'd been out playing all day.

Not sure if that helps to discover the etymology, but thanks for the reminder of my childhood! :)

Your welcome :D

I'm sure I read somewhere the use of the word stems from the Thieves Cant which in turn originates from Romany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thieves%27_cant
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Re: Dialect words and usage

Postby Tamo » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:06 pm

According to the online Dictionary Of The Scots Language at:

http://www.dsl.ac.uk/

the word is derived from the Middle English "biclarten" - to defile.


Clarty, Clairtie, a.
[Cf. ME. biclarten to defile; mod. Sc. and N. Eng. dial. clart (sticky) dirt, filth.] Dirty, filthy. —
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Re: Dialect words and usage

Postby dimairt » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:13 pm

Sapple. My mum used it today, telling me to sapple the baby cardigans she's just finished. I'd never heard of it though my sister, ten years my junior, had.
I've looked it up, to check, but won't say what it means just yet. Does anyone here know it?

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Re: Dialect words and usage

Postby ibtg » Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:10 pm

Is it anything to do with pressing them under the carpet?

My Mum used to knit a lot of baby clothes for my younger sibling and for the babies of friends. When finished she would wrap it carefully in tissue paper and then in brown paper and put it under the carpet or rug (no fitted carpets then, unless you were really posh). It would stay there for a couple of days and then be removed, beautifully pressed. She said that to press it with the iron would take all the newness away.

By the way, the carpets and rugs were pretty clean; they were taken out the back and beaten regularly over the washing line or the high fence - and the clothes were well wrapped. (Just in case anyone thinks we were clothing babies in stinky, clatty clothes! ::): )
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