New Transport Museum at Riverside

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Re: New Transport Museum at Riverside

Postby BTJustice » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:53 pm

Will be good to see it restored and looked after but what if they cut it in half and butt it up against a wall like the subway car?

There just seemed to be a complete lack of space for anything or anybody.
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Re: New Transport Museum at Riverside

Postby RDR » Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:05 pm

Alycidon wrote:According to a railway magazine the Museum is in the early stages of negotiations with Summerlee museum to take at least one of the two remaining class 311 coaches and restore for display, the comment from the museum (also as I commented earlier) is that there is nothing about the local train services, so this exhibit would correct that.


My first reaction to that would be to prefer any such transfer to go to the Scottish Railway Museum at Bo'ness.
SRPS has far more experience to my mind in that area and more importantly far more interest in promoting the preservation of railway artifacts than the transport museum which seems to think of itself as an art exhibition rather than a museum of industrial heritage.
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Re: New Transport Museum at Riverside

Postby Alycidon » Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:59 pm

RDR wrote:
Alycidon wrote:According to a railway magazine the Museum is in the early stages of negotiations with Summerlee museum to take at least one of the two remaining class 311 coaches and restore for display, the comment from the museum (also as I commented earlier) is that there is nothing about the local train services, so this exhibit would correct that.


My first reaction to that would be to prefer any such transfer to go to the Scottish Railway Museum at Bo'ness.
SRPS has far more experience to my mind in that area and more importantly far more interest in promoting the preservation of railway artifacts than the transport museum which seems to think of itself as an art exhibition rather than a museum of industrial heritage.


Bo'ness dont want it, they have their own class 303, and have their hands full renovating that unit. Ever since the centre car was sold off (the bogies were wanted for a Pullman Car, the rest was scrap), the only possible outcome was a static exhibit, Summerlee do not have enough money to stop it rotting away, never mind restoring the remaining coaches so this is the best that can be expected.
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Re: New Transport Museum at Riverside

Postby RDR » Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:19 pm

Alycidon wrote:
RDR wrote:
Alycidon wrote:According to a railway magazine the Museum is in the early stages of negotiations with Summerlee museum to take at least one of the two remaining class 311 coaches and restore for display, the comment from the museum (also as I commented earlier) is that there is nothing about the local train services, so this exhibit would correct that.


My first reaction to that would be to prefer any such transfer to go to the Scottish Railway Museum at Bo'ness.
SRPS has far more experience to my mind in that area and more importantly far more interest in promoting the preservation of railway artifacts than the transport museum which seems to think of itself as an art exhibition rather than a museum of industrial heritage.


Bo'ness dont want it, they have their own class 303, and have their hands full renovating that unit. Ever since the centre car was sold off (the bogies were wanted for a Pullman Car, the rest was scrap), the only possible outcome was a static exhibit, Summerlee do not have enough money to stop it rotting away, never mind restoring the remaining coaches so this is the best that can be expected.


I can see you have more knowledge of the details of this than me but my general point remains. I have no confidence in what is now called the Transport Museum dealing with any artifcats in a way befitting a museum instead of an art project.
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Re: New Transport Museum at Riverside

Postby droschke7 » Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:37 pm

Where are they going to put it?
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Re: New Transport Museum at Riverside

Postby aland » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:44 pm

lets be honest the Bo'ness 303 is preserved and cannot be scrapped, the summerlee 311 has been on borrowed time for years so if a driving car goes to riverside it will be better than nothing, instinct tells me that the centre car at summerlee will end up scrapped. I just hope the riverside car ends up under cover and at least sympathetically restored

if only they hadnt wasted so much of the 70 odd million on arty farty crap and built a live running line to the SEC it could have made for a great outstation of bo'ness, bring in guest running be it steam or diesel, mile or so of running line and a basic shed for servicing. can but dream
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Re: New Transport Museum at Riverside

Postby RDR » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:23 pm

aland wrote:lets be honest the Bo'ness 303 is preserved and cannot be scrapped, the summerlee 311 has been on borrowed time for years so if a driving car goes to riverside it will be better than nothing, instinct tells me that the centre car at summerlee will end up scrapped. I just hope the riverside car ends up under cover and at least sympathetically restored

if only they hadnt wasted so much of the 70 odd million on arty farty crap and built a live running line to the SEC it could have made for a great outstation of bo'ness, bring in guest running be it steam or diesel, mile or so of running line and a basic shed for servicing. can but dream


Excellent idea but it wouldn't fitted into the overall concept they had which is more to do with art than substance.
Ironically there were tracks for at least part of the way between it and the SECC from the old docks.
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Re: New Transport Museum at Riverside

Postby applemaca » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:38 pm

[quote="aland"]lets be honest the Bo'ness 303 is preserved and cannot be scrapped, the summerlee 311 has been on borrowed time for years so if a driving car goes to riverside it will be better than nothing, instinct tells me that the centre car at summerlee will end up scrapped. I just hope the riverside car ends up under cover and at least sympathetically restored

Am I right in thinking what has saved it from the scrapyard is the fact that it still has the orininal(Blue Train)interior?
Unlike the 303 at Bo'ness
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Re: New Transport Museum at Riverside

Postby aland » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:08 pm

it has the remains of the interior but a lot was removed for the sandite conversion work, the formica panels etc are original, thankfully being later build the insulation was not blue asbestos like in the 303, the 303 was stripped during the refurb work in the mid 80's
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Re: New Transport Museum at Riverside

Postby Vinegar Tom » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:31 pm

RDR wrote:Ironically there were tracks for at least part of the way between it and the SECC from the old docks.


Some of the tracks were still there until fairly recently - I saw them dug up during the road realignments around where the tall ship was berthed. I'll try to dig out the photos from my work computer.
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Re: New Transport Museum at Riverside

Postby Mori » Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:41 pm

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1.2 Address from which documentation may be obtained
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1.3Completed documents must be returned to:
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2 Contract Details
2.1TitleProvision of Transport Themed Outdoor Funfair for Riverside Museum
2.2Description of the goods or services required
Provision of Transport Themed Outdoor Funfair and Childrens's Attraction for The Riverside Museum
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