potholes

[rabmania]

To disprove that statement we need only find one non-fly-man-cyclist. I present me. Non-fly-man-cyclist.

[Dexter St. Clair]

all cyclists are fly-men...who are not only a danger to themself and other cyclists..but horses as well..

Give up that Daily Mail now. And kindly stop you steed from shitting in cycle lanes.



best watched with sound down

About 1 hour into the stage as the field was descending off the mountain (41.3 mph) we came around a sweeping right hand turn to find 5 horses in the road. They were probably minding their own business, trotting along the side of a country road (as horses are wont to do) when a fast car with flashing lights sped past followed by some skinny, spindly creatures in bright colored spandex yelling loudly. Now if I were a horse (of course) I would get scared, maybe a bit upset, and maybe say to myself “Yo, what are these ugly, weird things doing on MY road going crazy fast?! And who are THEY to yell at ME? WTF!!!” And maybe I would rear up, and maybe run off the road, yes, maybe I would even step on one of these creatures. Well, all of this happened.

[hungryjoe]

Away and behave yourself. If cyclists choose to use the public highway (such as it is), and why shouldn't they, they are bound by the same rules as every other road user. Suddenly changing direction without warning is bad practice, regardless of the mode of transport. If a cyclist suddenly veers into the path of another road user - tough titty.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070314

How many cars obey this rule - "give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car."? See the example image in the above link. If all cars gave cyclists as much room as they are supposed to there would never be such a problem when a cyclist needs to avoid a crater in the few feet out from the kerb. Most drivers simply don't get it unless they too are a cyclist. I'm not saying all cyclists are saints (far from it) but consequences are rather different for cars versus bikes and drivers versus cyclists. A car hitting a pot hole may be a bit of a jolt or a damaged tyre/wheel. A cyclist hitting a pot hole WILL be a damaged wheel or possibly thrown from the bike (onto road or into path of said car up said arse)! The difference between a car swerving and a cyclist swerving can be difference between serious injury or dealth for a cyclist versus a pranged car. tough titty indeed eh!!!

That's a stupid and misleading choice of photograph in your link. If the driver of that car was to give as much room in overtaking another car on that same stretch of road, He/she would be on the foot path.


Out here in the sticks, it's normal behaviour to slow to near walking speed when passing or overtaking a horse, normally with your engine idling where possible. If I see a horse starting to get skittish, I stop and turn my engine off and most people around here do the same

The difference between a car swerving and a cyclist swerving can be difference between serious injury or dealth for a cyclist versus a pranged car. tough titty indeed eh!!!

However regrettable the death or injury of a cyclist may be, if it's their own fault due to negligent road use, then, as with any other road user, indeed it is tough titty.

[Lone Groover]

I'm confused. Am I allowed to run 'em over or not?

[The Egg Man]

Update on potholes from Robt Booth to Glasgow Councillors. It's a bit lengthy.

Further to my previous progress reports on 29 July and 29 October 2010 and at the request of the Executive Member, Councillor James Coleman, I write to advise you of the current situation with respect to potholes and how these are being addressed within of our carriageway investment programme. As you will be aware, there has been considerable media interest recently concerning potholes. The Glasgow road network is particularly vulnerable to potholes for the following reasons:-

(i) Age – many of our roads have been developed from Victorian times and were never designed to accommodate the size or volume of traffic on today’s roads.

(ii) The high number of utility openings made every year.

(iii) The national under investment in roads maintenance over a number of years, resulting in a backlog of repairs of approximately £70 m.


As a result of 3 consecutive harsh winters, the latest being nationally recognised as the worst in 100 years, there has been a marked deterioration in the condition of the City’s road network and an explosion in the number of potholes developing. Extremely low temperatures, snow, ice and freeze/thaw cycles were experienced over a prolonged period throughout December and early January and have led to a more rapid deterioration of the City’s road network than expected.

A comparison of the number of potholes being reported annually demonstrates that we are dealing with 73% more potholes than we were in 2008/09.

Number of potholes reported January to January:-

2008 – 2009 14,769

2009 – 2010 19,011

2010 – 2011 25,560.


In addition, we are finding that many of these reports are not a simple pothole but a whole series of potholes or a large area which requires to be surfaced.

The scale of the pothole problem this year is proving to be extremely challenging, despite the significant additional investment provided.

Current Situation

A graph of the number of pothole reports received per week over the last calendar year is shown below.


The benefits of this year’s carriageway investment programme can be seen during the summer months, with a notable decrease in the number of reported potholes. As would be expected, they begin to creep up again during the autumn months until there was a marked decline in the number of pothole reports received in early December 2010 when the snow was lying on the ground (58 reports received during week commencing 28 November 2010) and a huge increase in January 2011 once the ice had melted, maximising at 1,348 reports during week commencing 16 January 2011.

Many of the complaints being received as a single pothole report are actually large areas of carriageway containing multiple potholes, or a pothole surrounded by a much larger area of deteriorating carriageway.

A list of the potholes reported within your ward during the month of January is provided for your information in the attached document. For each of these defects, a temporary repair has been carried out and a permanent repair has been scheduled in our works programme. For the month of January alone, we have addressed some 4,000 such repairs.




Land & Environmental Services are tackling this issue by utilising a number of measures.

Temporary Repairs


As the initial statutory response by LES in compliance with the Code of Practice for Highway Maintenance to reported potholes, repairs are undertaken generally within 24 hrs. Up to 10 crews have been engaged in this operation. The quality of these temporary repairs is highly weather dependent and by their very nature they will eventually break up and be dislodged. However, during their life, they are continually monitored until such time as a permanent repair is completed.

Permanent Patch Repairs


Programmed permanent repairs to potholed areas and larger areas of carriageway are being undertaken on a prioritised basis. Up to 16 repair squads from LES and external contractors have been carrying out this work. Every pothole report is being inspected and assessed by one of our Roads Inspectors. A basic risk assessment is carried out and this is used to help prioritise repairs which represent the most danger to the public.

Whilst our initial commitment was to complete these permanent repairs within 10 days of them being reported, the unprecedented rise in the number of potholes being reported this year has now resulted in these repairs being programmed over a considerably longer period.

The numbers of permanent patches completed within this year’s programme, by Ward are listed below. It should be noted that one permanent patch may repair a number of reported potholes.


Ward (Ward No) No of Pothole Reports Received

Apr’10 – Jan’11* No. of Carriageway Patches completed

Apr’10 – Jan’11
Anderston/City (10) 1,535 155
Baillieston (20) 852 115
Calton (9) 676 99
Canal (16) 1,038 158
Craigton (4) 1,208 112
Drumchapel/Anniesland (14) 812 118
East Centre (18) 627 103
Garscadden/Scotstounhill (13) 459 88
Govan (5) 1,691 171
Greater Pollok (3) 1,313 81
Hillhead (11) 883 78
Langside (7) 631 47
Linn (1) 870 75
Maryhill/Kelvin (15) 619 136
Newlands/Auldburn (2) 1,055 98
North East (21) 735 57
Partick West (12) 1,405 179
Pollokshields (6) 542 70
Shettleston (19) 1,069 127
Southside Central (8) 1,231 74
Springburn (17) 522 86

Totals 19,773 2,227


* All have received a minimum temporary repair.

Carriageway Surfacing


As well as the above programme of carriageway patching, many potholes are being repaired within the programme of carriageway resurfacing schemes as part of the Service’s strategic resurfacing programme. The updated list of resurfacing schemes completed in the current financial year to date is provided below. Arrangements are being made for this information and our future programme of resurfacing to be added to the Council web-site.

Permanent carriageway repairs and carriageway resurfacing schemes have recommenced following the enforced break caused by the severe weather event of December 2011 and these works, coupled with resources being dedicated to focussing on the repair of the reported potholes, will address the current situation.

Carriageway Resurfacing Schemes


Street Ward Limits of works
Busby Road 1 Kirk Road to Picketlaw Farm Road
Cathkin Road 1 Carmunnock Road to City boundary
Craigsheen Avenue 1 various sections
Carna Drive 1 full length
Dunagoil Road 1 full length
Elmore Avenue 1 Full length
Linnview Avenue 1 full length
Hopeman Road 2 Full length
Alloway Road 2 Kilmarnock Road to Lochlee Road
Burnhead Road 2 Full length
Carlaverock Road 2 Kilmarnock Road to Lubnaig Road
Earlspark Avenue 2 Lockerbie Ave to no. 20 Earlspark Ave
Earlspark Avenue 2 Langside Drive to cul de sac at 20 Earlpark Ave
Elrig Road 2 full length
Lanton Road 2 Full length
Lockerbie Avenue 2 Earlspark Ave to Cromarty Ave
Mamore Street 2 Nether Auldhouse Rd to Beaufort Avenue
Tankerland Road 2 full length
Pinmore Street 3 Maybole Street to Seamill Street
Binend Road 3 Maidland Road to Damshot Crescent including junction at Damshot Crescent
Braidcraft Road service road 3 Service road between Maidland Road and Nielsland Square
Braidcraft Road service road 3 Service road between Maidland Road and Nielsland Square
Colinslie Road 3 Full length
Dove Street 3 from Nitshill Road westwards for 90 metres
Househillmuir Crescent 3 Househillmuir Road to Brock Place
Househillwood Road 3 Haughburn Road to Hartstone Road
Hyndal Avenue 3 Drumcross Road to Levernside Road
Linnhead Drive 3 full length
Meikle Road 3 Elrig Road to Glasserton Place
Myres Road 3 Full length
Bankfoot Road 4 full length
Renshaw Drive 4 Full length
Bowden Drive 4 Full length
Clavens Rd 4 Full length
Corkerhill Place 4 Full length
Dundee Drive 4 Angus Avenue to end of lay by at no. 73 Dundee Drive
Fife Avenue 4 Full length
Honeybog Road 4 Full length
Hyndlee Drive 4 Full length
Kelhead Path 4 Full length
Kinsail Drive 4 Full length
Lourdes Avenue 4 full length
Ranfurly Road 4 Area at Muirdykes junction
Tanna Drive 4 full length
Clifford Street 5 west of Clifford place to Gower Street
Moidart Road 5 Jura Street to Morar St
Arduthie Road 5 Full length
Bervie Street 5 Full length
Copland Place 5 Full length
Copland Quadrant 5 Full length
Cruden Street 5 Full length
Meiklewood Road 5 eastwards from roundabout at Berryknowes Road
Pearce Street 5 Full length
Eglinton Street 6 northbound nearside lane Cumberland St to Cook St
Mannering Road 6 full length
Ravenshall Road 6 cul de sac at Mannering Road to Haggs Road
Brownlie Street 7 full length
Edgemont Street 7 Camphill Ave to Bellwood St
Kilmarnock Road 7 Southwards from Eastwood Avenue
Kings Park Avenue 7 selected length west of Aikenhead Road
Stanmore Road 7 full length (running lanes excluding parking area)
Second Avenue 7 full length
Pollokshaws Road 8 Calder Street to Allison St
Prospecthill Road 8 At Asda Toryglen
Victoria Road 8 At Queens Drive junctiom
Kerrycroy Avenue 8 full length
Ardnahoe Avenue 8 full length to City Boundary
Coplaw Street 8 Victoria Road to Langside Road
Cuthbertson Street 8 full length
Niddrie Road 8 full length
Cuthelton Street 9 Full length
Methven Street 9 Full length
Anson Street 9 London Road to garage entrance
Canmore Street 9 Tollcross Road to Ogilvie Street
Glamis Road 9 MacBeth St to Canmore St
Kerr Street 9 Crownpoint Road to London Road
Stevenson Street 9 Kent St to Bain St
Bothwell/ Pitt St/W George St 10 Bothwell St M8 junction to Blythswood Square
Broomielaw / Lancefield Quay 10 Finnieston St to Oswald Street
Brown Street 10 full length
Castle Street Phase 1 10 Alexandra Parade / Glasgow Royal A & E entrance junction
Castle Street Phase 2 10 at M8/A803 off ramp junction north of St James's Road
Cathedral Street 10 selected lengths east of North Frederick Street
Port Dundas Road 10 Cowcaddens Road to Dobbies Loan
St Mungo Avenue 10 selected lengths N Hanover St to St James' Road
St Vincent St 10 Hope St to Pitt St
Stockwell Place 10 Full length
Waterloo Street 10 west of Douglas Street to Pitt Street
Wellington Street 10 Bothwell Street to Argyle Street
Yorkhill Street 10 Overnewton Street to Old Dumbarton Road
Elderslie Street 10 St Vincent Street to Argyle Street
Great George Street 11 Bank Street to Oakfield Avenue
Lilybank Gardens 11 Full length
Maryhill Road 11 Clarendon St to Napiershall St
Devonshire Terrace 11 Full length
Hughenden Road 11 Devonshire Terrace to Hughenden Lane
Huntly Road 11 Full length
Kingsborough Gardens 11 North and east section of carriageway (from Hyndland Road to no. 26 Kingsborough Gdns)
Montague Street 11 West Princes Street to cul de sac at Gt Western Road
Novar Drive 11 Polwarth Street to firepath
Oakfield Avenue 11 Gibson Street to Glasgow Street
Southbrae Drive 12 Anniesland Rd to Halleydown Drive
Clydeside Expressway 12 eastbound at Clyde Tunnel overbridge
Bowling Green Rd Scotstoun 12 Full length
Edgehill Road 12 Woodcroft Avenue to Marlborough Avenue
Marlborough Ave 12 Crow Road to Beechwood Drive
Methill Street 12 Dumbarton Road to Fore Street
Polwarth Street 12 Novar Drive to Clarence Drive
Seggielea Road 12 full length
Thornwood Road 12 north carriageway
Victoria Park Street 12 Full length
Westland Drive 12 From Westbrae Drive eastward to cul de sac
Woodcroft Avenue 12 Crow Road to Churchill Drive
Alderman Road 13 at Anniesland Road roundabout
Anniesland Road 13 Anniesland Crescent (north junction) to Kingsway
Cairntoul Drive 13 southbound lane from railway bridge to Anniesland Road
Yoker Mill Rd 13 Duntreath Avenue to Hawick Street
Bassett Avenue 13 Bassett Crescent to Archerhill Road
Brownside Drive 13 Moorhouse Avenue to Dyke Road
Carlibar Avenue 13 Alderman to Dunnan Avenue
Foxbar Drive 13 Full length
Hawick Street 13 Halley Street to Alderman Road
Hawick Street 13 Halley St to Alderman Road
Holehouse Drive 13 Kirkton Avenue to Dyke Road
Kelso Street service road 13 Halley Street to Alderman Road
Kestrel Road 13 Lincoln Avenue to Pikeman Road
Kinstone Avenue 13 Full length
Lincoln Ave access to flats 13 Kestrel Rd to Archerhill Rd
Spiershall Terrace 13 Full length
Vancouver Road 13 Danes Drive to Norse Road
Verona Avenue 13 Danes Drive to Norse Road
Wykeham Road 13 Anniesland Road to No. 32 Wykeham Road
Kilcloy Avenue 14 Peel Glen Road to Ladyloan Avenue
Kinfauns Drive 14 Duntreath Avenue to Hecla Avenue
Knightswood Road 14 Cowdenhill Road to Gt Western Road
Linkwood Drive 14 Kinfauns Drive to Southdean Ave (selected sections)
Merryton Avenue 14 Full length
Arcan Crescent 14 full length
Balvie Road 14 Full length
Blairdardie Drive 14 Kirkhope Drive to Morraine Avenue
Boon Drive 14 Full length
Cloan Avenue 14 full length
Crawford Drive 14 Golf Drive to Manor Road
Douglas Drive 14 Full length
Fruin Road 14 Full length
Heathcot Place 14 Full length
Manor Road 14 Golf Drive to Fruin Road
Roman Avenue 14 Full length
Turret Crescent 14 Full length
Arrochar Street 15 Asda car park access to bend at no. 4
Cleveden Drive 15 Cleveden Rd to Bellshaugh Rd
Dalsholm Road 15 From No 106 to Cleansing depot entrance
Duncruin Street 15 Cumlodden Drive to Sandbank Street
Kevindale Road 15 Kelvindale Place to Kelvindale Buildings
Kirklee Road 15 Gt Western Road junction to Kirklee Terrace
Rothes Drive 15 east from Caldercuilt Road junction
Burnhouse Street 15 Kelvindale Road to Gairbraid Avenue
Cleveden Drive 15 Cleveden Road to Bellshaugh Road
Fairhaven Road 15 Full length
Ford Road 15 full length
Spence Street 15 full length
Winton Drive 15 Full length
Wyndham Street 15 Addison Road to Kirklee Road
Balmore Road 16 Junction at Stronend St / Closeburn St
Borron Street 16 Full length
Craighall Road 16 at M8 junction
Brassey St 16 Curzon St to Ruchill Primary School
Broadholm St 16 Ashfield Street to Buckley Street
Curzon Street 16 Full length
Everard Place 16 Full length
Everard Quadrant 16 Everard Place to southern cul de sac at no. 47
Glenhead Street 16 Buckley Street to Ashfield Road
Kippen Street 16 Ashfield Street to cul de sac
Murano Street 16 Bilsland Drive to Benview Street
Queen Margaret Road 16 Queen Margaret Drive to Doune Quadrant
Walnut Road 16 Between Chestnut Street & no.15 Walnut Rd
Campsie Street 17 full length
Springburn Rd 17 From Hawthorn St on ramp to speed camera (northbound lanes)
Syriam Street 17 Mansel Street to Drumbottie Road
Charles Street 17 Cul de sac at Springburn Road to no. 80
Mansel Street 17 Hillhouse Street to Drumbottie Road
Ruchazie Road 18 Gartcraig Rd to Edinburgh Rd
Barnton Street 18 Carntyne Road to Marfield Street
Bellrock Crescent 18 full length
Earn Street 18 full length
Etive Street 19 full length
Hamilton Road 19 from Dunvegan House to Arnold Clark showroom
Ardgay Place 19 full length
Bowling Green Rd Mt Vernon 19 Full length
Carrick Drive, Mt Vernon 19 Baillieston Road to Mansionhouse Road
Cullen Street 19 full length
Liddell Street 19 full length
Caledonia Road Baillieston 20 Full length
Inveresk Street 20 at Duror Street junction
Wellhouse Road 20 full length
Beech Avenue Garrowhill 20 Full length
George Street Baillieston 20 Full length
Greenend Place, Springboig 20 full length
Greenfield Road, Springboig 20 from north of Glen Avenue to Tynecastle Street
Hallhill Road 20 section parallel to Mansionhouse Drive
Inchkeith Place, Springboig 20 full length
Miller Street Baillieston 20 Full length
Moredun Crescent 20 full length
Avenue End Road 21 section at crest of hill south of Cumbernauld Road
Mossvale Road 21 at St Rose of Lima Primary School
Robroyston Road 21 northbound from Asda roundabout plus part of roundabout
Wallacewell Road 21 section west of Standburn Rd to Northgate Rd (westbd cway)
Avondale Street 21 full length
Blairlogie Street 21 full length
Boghall Street 21 full length
Broomfield Rd service road 21 271 Broomfield Rd to 31 Wallacewell Rd
Camsbusmore Place 21 full length
Croftcroighn Road 21 full length
Drumlochy Road 21 Elibank Street to 47 Drumlochy Road


Whilst we fully accept that there is a level of dissatisfaction with road condition recently, we are doing all that we can within current resource levels to deal with the situation as effectively and as efficiently as we possibly can.

[Dexter St. Clair]

I'm confused. Am I allowed to run 'em over or not?

As long as you're depending on Joe to defend you.

I'm thinking I have finally found the white Van man who drove over my son at the roundabout at the exit from the expressway heading west on Dumbarton Road or as Joe would call homeward Bound. Maybe he had his dinner on his mind but WVM was not paying attention to other road users and bang. Over to you Joe. Any comment forthcoming ? Any facts to back your argument up.

[Lone Groover]

I'm confused. Am I allowed to run 'em over or not?

As long as you're depending on Joe to defend you.

.

B'stard ! It was Joe I wanted to knock over.

I would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids........

[hungryjoe]

Dex, I'm really and truly sorry to hear about your son.
You must know that I'm not condoning bad practice by car/van/any other drivers. I'm only stating what should be obvious, and that is that if road users, whatever their mode of transport, don't use the road properly and come a cropper as a result - then it's their own fault, or tough titty as I said. It doesn't mean that I'm unsympathetic to cyclists who get mown down by pricks behind a wheel.

I'm confused. Am I allowed to run 'em over or not?

As long as you're depending on Joe to defend you.

.

B'stard ! It was Joe I wanted to knock over.

I would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids........

Fuck off ya turd, you couldnae knock me over after I've had 15 pints. Ya Southern Jessie.

[Lone Groover]

I'm confused. Am I allowed to run 'em over or not?

I would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids........

Fuck off ya turd, you couldnae knock me over after I've had 15 pints. Ya Southern Jessie.[/quote]



Check your stick Joe, My woodworm should be done by now.

[north glasgow dave]

that video of the cyclists terrorising those poor defenceless creatures only goes to prove that cyclists are fly-men with tight trunks and shiny helmets...

[Doorstop]

Check your stick Joe, My woodworm should be done by now.

Sublime.

[Lucky Poet]

that video of the cyclists terrorising those poor defenceless creatures only goes to prove that cyclists are fly-men with tight trunks and shiny helmets...

Fuck's sake. Look, if you want to start an anti cyclists thread full of witless 'banter', go ahead. Then I'll delete it.

[helpmaboab]

Away and behave yourself. If cyclists choose to use the public highway (such as it is), and why shouldn't they, they are bound by the same rules as every other road user. Suddenly changing direction without warning is bad practice, regardless of the mode of transport. If a cyclist suddenly veers into the path of another road user - tough titty.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070314

How many cars obey this rule - "give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car."? See the example image in the above link. If all cars gave cyclists as much room as they are supposed to there would never be such a problem when a cyclist needs to avoid a crater in the few feet out from the kerb. Most drivers simply don't get it unless they too are a cyclist. I'm not saying all cyclists are saints (far from it) but consequences are rather different for cars versus bikes and drivers versus cyclists. A car hitting a pot hole may be a bit of a jolt or a damaged tyre/wheel. A cyclist hitting a pot hole WILL be a damaged wheel or possibly thrown from the bike (onto road or into path of said car up said arse)! The difference between a car swerving and a cyclist swerving can be difference between serious injury or dealth for a cyclist versus a pranged car. tough titty indeed eh!!!

That's a stupid and misleading choice of photograph in your link. If the driver of that car was to give as much room in overtaking another car on that same stretch of road, He/she would be on the foot path.

Not my choice of photograph so you best go tell the government to rewrite the highway code cause their current rules and representation to show the rules is "stupid and misleading ". You clearly miss the whole point of this rule and the photograph which is slightly concerning if you are a driver. You pass a cyclist as if it was a car so that there is the space shown in the picture

However regrettable the death or injury of a cyclist may be, if it's their own fault due to negligent road use, then, as with any other road user, indeed it is tough titty.

If anyone is negligent then yes I agree it is clearly their fault. However if anyone causes an accident, injury or death whether it's a car driver, a cyclist, a horse rider, a pedestrian, or simply a muppet because they have not complied with the highway code then that's tough titty. Failing to pass a cyclist as shown by the image falls into this category, simples!

[hungryjoe]

That's a stupid and misleading choice of photograph in your link. If the driver of that car was to give as much room in overtaking another car on that same stretch of road, He/she would be on the foot path.

Not my choice of photograph so you best go tell the government to rewrite the highway code cause their current rules and representation to show the rules is "stupid and misleading ". You clearly miss the whole point of this rule and the photograph which is slightly concerning if you are a driver. You pass a cyclist as if it was a car so that there is the space shown in the picture ::):

However regrettable the death or injury of a cyclist may be, if it's their own fault due to negligent road use, then, as with any other road user, indeed it is tough titty.

If anyone is negligent then yes I agree it is clearly their fault. However if anyone causes an accident, injury or death whether it's a car driver, a cyclist, a horse rider, a pedestrian, or simply a muppet because they have not complied with the highway code then that's tough titty. Failing to pass a cyclist as shown by the image falls into this category, simples!

When I did my P.S.V., I was taught to leave a car door's width when passing another road user (no mention of horses in Knightswood in the mid 70s ). This isn't so different from the illustration shown from the highway code. It is a stupid illustration though, as I said, if you used that gap to pass a car on that same stretch of road, you'd be on the pavement, there's no arguing with that.

[Lucky Poet]

If there's no room to pass safely then don't pass?

(Anyway, what has all this got to do with potholes?)