Part time policing?

[Wee Harry]

Currently working for the Council in my capacity as an engineer, something I've been doing for nigh 30 years, my old feller was a copper.

There is this mirage out there that council workers get a gold plated pension, let me tell you that is guff, for me to keep my missus Helga has been accustomed I have to buy AVC's.

Anyway in my experience police have many too many benefits in addition to their salary, free public transport travel (anywhere often with family), contributions towards rent/mortgages relocation etc, the policeman who lives opposite has two jobs in addition to the force he is a health and safety inspector and he works in a gargage part time, Policing is a stressful job and they need their days off to recharge so this cant be beneficial to the public (many fireman do similarly), Police retire at 55 on full pensions and guess what normally walk in to other jobs with the council, I have been around along time I have seen this time and time again. Guess what his son an absolute arse is also training as a cadet!

Following on from the Sheehey Report of the early 80's there were a number of reccomendations about duplication/triplication etc which the police unions fought tooth and nail against, the dilution of their salary/benefits was always coming and the influx of the Specials has broken their ranks, I do work in essex from time time and you may have heard that Essex Police were carrying out speed camera work on their days off at double pay of their graded salary with some making an additional £5-6k a year (led to beleive this has changed) elsewhere in the country ordinary punters have been getting minimum wage for same duties, I have little sympathy for the police, its been along time coming!

Its been aclosed shop for too long change is needed!

[Josef]

Policing is a stressful job and they need their days off to recharge

It's a potentially stressful job.

Police retire at 55 on full pensions

No. They retire after 25/30 years in the job. An acquaintance of mine is on 30k for the rest of his life, in his mid-forties.

[Dexter St. Clair]

and when they retire the smart ones get a job as a line manager with Glasgow Community safety services to add another pension to their pot.

[Bridie]

and when they retire the smart ones get a job as a line manager with Glasgow Community safety services to add another pension to their pot.

or if they've specialised in a certain department and retired a few rungs up the ladder they are asked back on a freelance basis.

[The Egg Man]

Former Detective Chief Superintendent John Carnochan has been appointed to the school of medicine at St Andrews.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/ex-p ... n.21279184

[The Egg Man]

The cost of replacing a police computer network, described as "like something from the Beano", is estimated to be £45 million over a decade.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home ... 1371744983

At least Steve House has his knighthood to cheer him up.

[The Egg Man]

"POLICE traffic wardens will be phased out and some face-to-face counter services cut to save money and standardise services across the single police force, Police Scotland has announced.

Staff affected by the cuts will be consulted on their options which include alternative roles in the force, according to Assistant Chief Constable Wayne Mawson who led the review of the police’s services and procedures.

Many of the old regional forces have already stopped providing traffic wardens, while front-counter hours vary across the regions.

Police Scotland say they aim to “make the best of police resources and provide best value for money” and “see a greater consistency of public counter provision”.

The creation of the single police force was intended to save £1.7 billion, and Police Scotland say it has given them the opportunity to review and standardise services and procedures throughout Scotland.

Mr Mawson said: “The public access our services in many ways, but we have seen the number of people calling at public counters drop in recent years.

“Our review will reduce opening hours at some public counters across Scotland but this is where analysis of demand has provided evidence which has allowed us to take these steps without significantly impacting on the level of service enjoyed by communities."

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/t ... -1-3120461

You were warned.

[Josef]

Under what circumstances would you at, say, 2 a.m., decide that "Well, this needs The Polis, but rather than phone them I'll take a stroll across to my nearest station 2 miles away and report it to the desk Sergeant instead."?

[The Egg Man]

Possibly, as I've experienced, a bus driver on a night service taking his bus, with the doors locked to outside Cranstonhill Police Office and honking on his horn till assistance arrived, from within the cop shop.

This is a precursor to reducing police numbers, as is MacAskill's plan* to do away with the need for corroboration (eg, no need for two officers to witness the delivery of a summons and only one bent copper saying 'it wis him' for a conviction).



*that's before we start on double jeopardy.

[The Egg Man]

It seems the guy tasked with MacAskill's dirty work has his own, special solution to anti social behaviour around his home.

He ran away.

"A police chief has admitted that he was forced to move house by youths hanging around outside his home.

Supt (now an Assistant Chief Constable with Police Scotland) Wayne Mawson, who is in his 40s, said that he decided to leave because he did not want to confront the teenagers sitting on the wall of his property in Hackney, east London.
The officer, the head of operations in Haringey, north London, said that the youths had made him nervous about returning from work. Supt Mawson confessed that he had given in to them."

Supt Wayne Mawson, who is in his 40s, said that he decided to leave because he did not want to confront the teenagers sitting on the wall of his property in Hackney, east London.
The officer, the head of operations in Haringey, north London, said that the youths had made him nervous about returning from work. Supt Mawson confessed that he had given in to them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -home.html

[Lucky Poet]

It seems the guy tasked with MacAskill's dirty work has his own, special solution to anti social behaviour around his home.

He ran away.

"A police chief has admitted that he was forced to move house by youths hanging around outside his home.

Supt (now an Assistant Chief Constable with Police Scotland) Wayne Mawson, who is in his 40s, said that he decided to leave because he did not want to confront the teenagers sitting on the wall of his property in Hackney, east London.
The officer, the head of operations in Haringey, north London, said that the youths had made him nervous about returning from work. Supt Mawson confessed that he had given in to them."

Supt Wayne Mawson, who is in his 40s, said that he decided to leave because he did not want to confront the teenagers sitting on the wall of his property in Hackney, east London.
The officer, the head of operations in Haringey, north London, said that the youths had made him nervous about returning from work. Supt Mawson confessed that he had given in to them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -home.html

What would you have done then, Chuck Norris? Threaten to sneer at them on an internet forum?

[Boxer6]

It seems the guy tasked with MacAskill's dirty work has his own, special solution to anti social behaviour around his home.

He ran away.

"A police chief has admitted that he was forced to move house by youths hanging around outside his home.

Supt (now an Assistant Chief Constable with Police Scotland) Wayne Mawson, who is in his 40s, said that he decided to leave because he did not want to confront the teenagers sitting on the wall of his property in Hackney, east London.
The officer, the head of operations in Haringey, north London, said that the youths had made him nervous about returning from work. Supt Mawson confessed that he had given in to them."

Supt Wayne Mawson, who is in his 40s, said that he decided to leave because he did not want to confront the teenagers sitting on the wall of his property in Hackney, east London.
The officer, the head of operations in Haringey, north London, said that the youths had made him nervous about returning from work. Supt Mawson confessed that he had given in to them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -home.html

What would you have done then, Chuck Norris? Threaten to sneer at them on an internet forum?

Not nice, LP.

I must say I'm not terribly impressed, even in my current state of mild-to-moderate inebriation, with a Police Superintendant moving house because "youths had made him nervous about returning from work". If he couldn't get anything done about it, what the fuck chance have us ordinary folk got in similar circumstances? None, that's what. Add in the continuing centralisation and, anecdotally at least, ever increasing problem of actually being able to speak to an actual Police officer, things aren't going to get better any time soon IMHO.

Let's hope "Wullie & Senga" don't find out where ACC Mawson lives now, eh?

[Lucky Poet]

I find myself distressingly sober.

Not nice? No, it's not really, I suppose. I guess I'm just growing impatient with things like copying and pasting agenda-laden doom-and-gloom newspaper articles from nearly six years ago as some politically driven stunt. I'm likely too impatient, and should go read a book for the rest of tonight.

Perhaps we get the kind of political discourse we deserve.

[The Egg Man]

I could, I suppose, have typed it out by hand and risked making a typo. That wouldn't have changed the unpalatable facts.

[RDR]

I was prepared not to think the whole idea of a national police force wasn't a sinister one thought up by politician's who might have felt that trying to control one Chief Constable was better than trying to control eight. Or that it wasn't designed to give a Scottish Government a ready made paramilitary type force for 'other' uses (where's my tinfoil hat?). However the shambles it seems to be leading too doesn't reassure me that the whole thing isn't a complete f**k up never mind any conspiracy theories.
Couple of examples:
Our community police team and contact has disappeared from the police station 2 minutes away from my house and although that remains open as a divisional HQ, you have to bypass that as we are effectively being policed from a town 10 miles away, now. On contacting them via the 101 number (and very good they seem to be) the 'new' police station knew nothing about it.
Second example. A particular matter was being dealt with by local cops who in turn were reporting to a local senior officer. The whole matter has now just about ground to a halt, as the matter now is being reported to a Superintendent in Inverness, who doesn't feel the need to come to the central belt to help speed things along. Apparently all part of Stephen House's desire to demonstrate all Police 'resources' are interchangeable......
Having spoken to a colleague in the Fiscal service, I'm being told these aren't necessarily isolated examples....