Tesco Pollok Silverburn

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Postby Alex Glass » Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:35 pm

The artist's impression of what the new centre will look like is just that - an impression. To talk about screening is just nonsense.

As for the new Civic Realm, as the Councillor for the area I am pleased that we are about to commence the work in this area. The inclusion of the Halifax/Bank of Scotland at the Civic Realm is to be welcomed.

The people of Pollok deserve good facilities and when the Civic Realm is complete it will integrate the public services with those of the new Silverburn.

The vast majority of local people welcome the changes that are taking place. There is still about a year to go before the new Silverbun opens and the Civic Realm should be completed not long after. There may be some problems ahead as people get use to both developments but hopefully everyone will be patient and allow things to settle down.

There has been some complaints about access to the new Tesco. I would like to point out that we obtained a commitment from Tesco that ensured the area had a supermarket throughout the construction phase of Silverburn. Due some planning issues this was not possible and the store had to close for about 5-6 months. They promised to open in early July and this was done. The area is still a building site and access will improve when the new centre opens. This may not be the best arrangement but the people of Pollok need a supermarket and now they have the largest of its kind in Scotland.
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Postby MungoDundas » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:17 pm

Wow

In the second batch of Hazy's artist's impressions, top right hand picture, that looks like a Citroen GSA that has pulled up outside the Pollok M&S. Must have a special ticket to be allowed convenient parking.

Nice sky colour too.

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Postby stevenh1983 » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:53 am

As someone who lives in this area i welcome the changes to the Shopping Centre just like everyone else in the area does.

People from outwith the area will always be sceptical as they have a vision of what Pollok is like and that will never change.

These are the same people that will visit the largest supermarket in Scotland and visit one of the largest shopping centres in Scotland when it opens next year.

No-one is trying to "paper over the cracks" if you like they just trying to create a better way of living for the people in the area.

The re-development of this whole area bringing in the shopping centre and the civic realm can only benefit Pollok and also the whole of Glasgow.

As Alex says the construction is still ongoing and in just over a years time it will all be finished and access and transport connections will be much improved.
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Postby Vladimir » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:39 am

Who sold you this illusion of a better life? Dont believe it, a shopping centre is no future for a community...
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Postby Flyingscot » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:45 am

Alex Glass wrote:The artist's impression of what the new centre will look like is just that - an impression. To talk about screening is just nonsense.

As for the new Civic Realm, as the Councillor for the area I am pleased that we are about to commence the work in this area. The inclusion of the Halifax/Bank of Scotland at the Civic Realm is to be welcomed.

The people of Pollok deserve good facilities and when the Civic Realm is complete it will integrate the public services with those of the new Silverburn.

The vast majority of local people welcome the changes that are taking place. There is still about a year to go before the new Silverbun opens and the Civic Realm should be completed not long after. There may be some problems ahead as people get use to both developments but hopefully everyone will be patient and allow things to settle down.

There has been some complaints about access to the new Tesco. I would like to point out that we obtained a commitment from Tesco that ensured the area had a supermarket throughout the construction phase of Silverburn. Due some planning issues this was not possible and the store had to close for about 5-6 months. They promised to open in early July and this was done. The area is still a building site and access will improve when the new centre opens. This may not be the best arrangement but the people of Pollok need a supermarket and now they have the largest of its kind in Scotland.


I had read somewhere that a buses asked if it could use the Tesco car-park to provide a bus link to the store whilst construction was on-going. Especially for the Dial a Bus service for pensioners and Tesco apparently refused this which seems bizarre, as both Morrisons and ASDA allow buses into their car-parks without problems.

Mind you the regneration project of Pollok, might be the end of Paisley, which is now needing regeneration and has it's own project starting soon IIRC, no doubt including a better and newer shopping area. And we all go round again..... :roll:
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Postby stevenh1983 » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:04 am

Vladimir wrote:Who sold you this illusion of a better life? Dont believe it, a shopping centre is no future for a community...


So what are you saying? Don't build the shopping centre? Don't create around 1000 jobs for the local area? Pollok has one of the lowest car ownership and unemployment rates in Scotland. What is the future then?
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Postby Vladimir » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:29 pm

Pollok has one of the lowest car ownership and unemployment rates in Scotland.


Surely you mean Pollok has one of the HIGHEST unemployment rates in Scotland? If not, it wouldnt need any jobs would it!

Don't build the shopping centre? Don't create around 1000 jobs for the local area?


Jobs are good but those are such low aspirations, why dont people in Scotland get off their lazy backsides and change government policy, even change government? Protest in the streets, do anything, just dont sit there and accept it. Because if we don't, its going to be crap McJobs and shopping centres forever more, very little else. Yes sir, no sir, sack me if you like I wont complain sir.

The establishments goal of creating their Americanised market driven utopia is all but complete.

First, destroy the jobs likely to have unions (thats that nasty old word 'industry' folks! They have already convinced you its old fashioned!) and you destroy 99% of opposition to government policy. Done!

Second, convince the people that the only way forward is the American route. Tell them the good times are coming, how shiny and brilliant it will be, there might even be palm trees indoors! Tell them about all the junk they can buy, especially the antiques and houses. Put that stuff on TV. Teach the kids to be entrepreneurs. Tell them 'socialism doesnt work' and that the rest of the world has abandoned it. Make them hate places like France and Germany because they mostly havent. Use the tabloids for all this, the Sun, the Record, the Evening Times. Folk will repeat what they read like parrots. Cosy up with America, cause we have a special relationship. Done!

Third, promise 15, even 25 year 'regeneration plans'. Forget to include actual jobs other then shop ones, but make lots of nice wee drawings of orange houses and tell the people in the schemes they will all live in them soon. Neglect to tell them about the cost of them, or that 50% of them will be for sale. People wont bother to rise up and protest about their conditions, because they were told that things will improve in the future. Done!

What is the future then?


This sentence you just wrote sums up the attitude in Scotland at the present very well. We simply cant imagine anything other than the status quo, Margaret Thatcher and cie. were geniuses, they convinced us within only a decade that the future lay only in the world of retail and services. The rest was out of date. My argument is seriously tired but the fact is that Scotland is capable of so much more than that. We can be modern. We can be dynamic. But that means more than just shops and nightclubs. It means producing to our fullest ability the goods and services of the modern world, not just accepting what we are given!
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Postby Sharon » Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:41 pm

Vlad, why not go along to th Kelvingrove on Saturday and take part in the Big Dream? Maybe you can help create a different vision for the future... You would get a differnt audiesnce for your arguments too!!

http://www.glasgow2020.com/bigdream/
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Postby Vladimir » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:13 pm

Yep, this audience is sick of hearing me by now! You have to keep on at the same audience though, you cant just give up if people arent listening... ::): Can't go to the thing though, Im in France.

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Postby hazy » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:24 pm

Vlad the Impaller has a lot of good strong valid points. I went through a stage were I demostrated for anything. I now pick and choose if I feel strongly about it.
One movement that is gathering pace is the Baby boom citizens. This is one group that in the not to distant future will have a major say in the reshaping of this country. So all you 40 plus old grumpy bastards get up of your arses and start to harras your MPs MSPs etc . We might be getting old but we will reshape this nation. All you young whipper snappers beware. :twisted:
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Postby Vladimir » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:27 pm

Vlad the Impaller


Are you are trying to refer to my pasty complexion... ::):
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Postby hazy » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:34 pm

Vladimir wrote:
Vlad the Impaller


Are you are trying to refer to my pasty complexion... ::):

Naw just yur mellow side.
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Postby Alex Glass » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:33 pm

Vlad

I wouldn't say I am tired of hearing your argument. There may be merit in some of what you say.

On the jobs front. I hope that a further development within my ward will provide further opportunities for local people. Currently the Nitshill Industrial Estate requires investment and we are working on a major project that will create a new larger area where as you say "real jobs" will be provided. The regeneration of the shopping centre is only one part of the rebulding of the community.
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Postby dave2 » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:49 pm

hazy wrote:Vlad the Impaller has a lot of good strong valid points. I went through a stage were I demostrated for anything. I now pick and choose if I feel strongly about it.
One movement that is gathering pace is the Baby boom citizens. This is one group that in the not to distant future will have a major say in the reshaping of this country. So all you 40 plus old grumpy bastards get up of your arses and start to harras your MPs MSPs etc . We might be getting old but we will reshape this nation. All you young whipper snappers beware. :twisted:


I think it could be argued that at the baby boomers covers those born between 1945 and 1964 (according to the BBC Baby Boomer articles), they are the current power holders - aged 61-42. This covers most of our Government, opposition parties, senior civil servants and business leaders. It is interesting that while many of this generation often bemoan the way things are these days, they don't seem to realise that they are the best placed to deal with it. They not only have the most power!

For more in depth analysis - try the BBC Baby Boomer interview with William Strauss - an American with some interesting views on the BAby boomer generation and their characteristics as far as war, climate change and civil rights is concerned. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/hardtalk/4795269.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss_and_Howe
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Postby stevenh1983 » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:37 am

I was only speaking as a member of the Pollok community and i do believe that the whole area will benefit from the current regeneration.

Shoot me down for saying that with your long winded arguments but that is how i feel. I believe most people in this area welcome the current regeneration.

And yes i did mean the highest unemployment rates, i made a mistake, so what? we all do.

The world is never going to be perfect for everyone but we get on with it
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