Am I the only one?

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Re: Am I the only one?

Postby Bridie » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:01 am

dimairt wrote:My daughter is due to graduate from Strathclyde in a few months, her subject is Business Administration. She would like to move into teaching and would have applied to Glasgow but for the fact that they "give priority" to "those who intend to teach in Catholic schools."
"The design of the programme necessarily reflects the denominational sector requirements and prospective applicants should consider this before applying. The School welcomes applications from all qualified candidates. In the selection procedures for interview, priority is given to those who indicated, in their personal statement, their intention to teach in Catholic schools and to seek the Catholic Teacher’s Certificate in Religious Education."
She can apply -she just won't get in; Catholics though can apply to Aberdeen, the only other School to offer this course, as well as Glasgow.
Imagine - if youse will - the application process saying no Catholics or Muslims or Jews. Or how does only Jews, or only Muslims or only Protestants need apply sound? How would we respond?
Positive discrimination was a good thing when there was discrimination against Catholics. That doesn't happen now, why then do we need this?

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PS She has been offered a place at Aberdeen.


I'm very surprised at this.
My daughter has just completed four years at Glasgow doing a teaching course in religion and philosophy and completed four school placements. She cannot teach in a catholic school unless she completes the Catholic Teacher's Cert -which is fair enough as catholicism wasn't a predominant part of her course. Her friend who is catholic did the full course and can teach religion in any type of school.
Have they changed the selection process in four years? I must ask her.
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Re: Am I the only one?

Postby The Egg Man » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:03 am

dimairt wrote:Dex, why should there be any of this nonsense now in this, our United Kingdom?

Durachdan,

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Pressure from and intransigence on the part of those who'd seek to maintain the situation as it is. It seems odd that something which is subject to legislation to outlaw it on the terraces is supported in the teacher training colleges.
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Re: Am I the only one?

Postby cell » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:50 pm

We need to end this nonsense now, remove the state funding for religious indoctrination and make a real blow against bigotry where it will actually have an effect rather than trying to police what comes out of the mouths of football fans.

Our politician are a bunch of cowards who would rather pander to religious numpties than do something which might make a positive difference to society. Next time a politician doorsteps you, ask them what there line is on religious school and why their parties refuse to do anything to end this out of date rubbish.
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Re: Am I the only one?

Postby Josef » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:08 pm

Not a hope in Hell (no pun intended).

Religious (sorry, Faith) schools are all the rage down South at the moment.

Check out this article from today's paper.

Creationism a core part of the curriculum, btw. And how do they get away with that, you might ask? Because there's a
"specialist faith inspectorate" commissioned by Ofsted to inspect schools "belonging to the Christian Schools' Trust and the Association of Muslim Schools throughout England".
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Re: Am I the only one?

Postby jodieohdoh » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:14 pm

You people are trying to give me an aneurysm, aren't you? This stuff really gets my goat. And because I have an opinion and am an atheist, that makes me a "militant secularist", and "aggressive". According to fucking Delia fucking Smith, now, if you please.

Rant over, I'm very surprised a university can afford to discriminate like that - surely the aim should be to widen the appeal of their courses and not narrow it.
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Re: Am I the only one?

Postby Dexter St. Clair » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:02 pm

The Egg Man wrote:
Pressure from and intransigence on the part of those who'd seek to maintain the situation as it is. It seems odd that something which is subject to legislation to outlaw it on the terraces is supported in the teacher training colleges.


Could you refer me to the particular part of the legislation that bars Catholic schools from


Equal Employment Opportunity Statement
“The Archdiocese shall assure equal employment opportunity in all its employment policies and practices. These policies and practices shall be administered without regard to race, color, national origin, age, gender, marital status, political affiliation, veteran status, sexual orientation, or mental or physical disabilities not affecting one’s ability to perform the essential functions of one’s job.” Preference in hiring may be given to teachers who are Catholic and who evidence an understanding of the Catholic faith and a commitment to living that faith.
"I before E, except after C" works in most cases but there are exceptions.
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Re: Am I the only one?

Postby The Egg Man » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:09 pm

Dexter St. Clair wrote:
The Egg Man wrote:
Pressure from and intransigence on the part of those who'd seek to maintain the situation as it is. It seems odd that something which is subject to legislation to outlaw it on the terraces is supported in the teacher training colleges.


Could you refer me to the particular part of the legislation that bars Catholic schools from


Equal Employment Opportunity Statement
“The Archdiocese shall assure equal employment opportunity in all its employment policies and practices. These policies and practices shall be administered without regard to race, color, national origin, age, gender, marital status, political affiliation, veteran status, sexual orientation, or mental or physical disabilities not affecting one’s ability to perform the essential functions of one’s job.” Preference in hiring may be given to teachers who are Catholic and who evidence an understanding of the Catholic faith and a commitment to living that faith.



Color? Veteran status? You sure that ain't American?
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Re: Am I the only one?

Postby Bridie » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:54 pm

"Scotland has 377 state-funded faith schools - 373 Catholic, one Jewish and three Episcopalian. These schools play an important part in education in Scotland. We believe it's important for parents and pupils to have the choice to attend a faith school, if they want to."

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Educa ... hools/FAQs

Faith schools were relevant at one time in our history I don't think they are necessary now however religion if it's taught on a broader basis is still an important scholastic subject.
Religious belief and the historic/cultural reasons for a faith system should be discussed and the reasons why people choose to follow a certain religion are important as is religious history ie conflict and wars.
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Re: Am I the only one?

Postby The Egg Man » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:21 am

[quote="Bridie...................however religion if it's taught on a broader basis is still an important scholastic subject.
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Really? Right up there with homeopathic medicine, Scientology and dowsing?
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Re: Am I the only one?

Postby Josef » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:24 am

The Egg Man wrote:Color? Veteran status? You sure that ain't American?


Veteran status is currently being monitored in Scottish Hospitals. I have a vague notion that it is a 'Priority treatment' flag, where the referral is related to the status, but I could be wrong. It sounds like a Goverment-initiative sorta thing, but I don't know whether that would be SG or UKG.

Minor trivia - the US SImplified Spelling Initiative was set up and funded by our very own Andrew Carnegie.
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Re: Am I the only one?

Postby Bridie » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:18 am

The Egg Man wrote:[quote="Bridie...................however religion if it's taught on a broader basis is still an important scholastic subject.
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Really? Right up there with homeopathic medicine, Scientology and dowsing?[/quote]
Not sure if they're scholastic subjects?
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Re: Am I the only one?

Postby Dexter St. Clair » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:34 am

The Egg Man wrote:
Dexter St. Clair wrote:
The Egg Man wrote:
Pressure from and intransigence on the part of those who'd seek to maintain the situation as it is. It seems odd that something which is subject to legislation to outlaw it on the terraces is supported in the teacher training colleges.


Could you refer me to the particular part of the legislation that bars Catholic schools from


Equal Employment Opportunity Statement
“The Archdiocese shall assure equal employment opportunity in all its employment policies and practices. These policies and practices shall be administered without regard to race, color, national origin, age, gender, marital status, political affiliation, veteran status, sexual orientation, or mental or physical disabilities not affecting one’s ability to perform the essential functions of one’s job.” Preference in hiring may be given to teachers who are Catholic and who evidence an understanding of the Catholic faith and a commitment to living that faith.



Color? Veteran status? You sure that ain't American?



Well spotted It's Chicago and I used it to point out we are not the only one. Other countries support parental choice in education. So again where in our new legislation does i say you can't do this?
"I before E, except after C" works in most cases but there are exceptions.
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Re: Am I the only one?

Postby RDR » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:32 am

Josef wrote:
The Egg Man wrote:Color? Veteran status? You sure that ain't American?


Veteran status is currently being monitored in Scottish Hospitals. I have a vague notion that it is a 'Priority treatment' flag, where the referral is related to the status, but I could be wrong. It sounds like a Goverment-initiative sorta thing, but I don't know whether that would be SG or UKG.

Minor trivia - the US SImplified Spelling Initiative was set up and funded by our very own Andrew Carnegie.


You'd be right in that there are special rules around the treatment of ex forces personnel, particular if the treatment is related to injuries/conditions picked up whilst serving in the armed forces.
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Re: Am I the only one?

Postby dimairt » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:59 pm

The Egg Man wrote:
dimairt wrote:Dex, why should there be any of this nonsense now in this, our United Kingdom?

Durachdan,

Eddy


Pressure from and intransigence on the part of those who'd seek to maintain the situation as it is. It seems odd that something which is subject to legislation to outlaw it on the terraces is supported in the teacher training colleges.


I don't think that Glasgow Uni's recruitment process is the same as the sectarian behaviour of some at football matches. I do think that, in trying to be fair, we have created an unfair system.


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Re: Am I the only one?

Postby Bridie » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:00 am

Bridie wrote:
The Egg Man wrote:[quote="Bridie...................however religion if it's taught on a broader basis is still an important scholastic subject.
.....................................


Really? Right up there with homeopathic medicine, Scientology and dowsing?




Not sure if they're scholastic subjects?

(not repeating myself :D just trying to edit my wrongly quoted previous post except it won't allow me to delete the original)
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