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Mural Artist required

Postby Socceroo » Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:38 am

Anyone know any good Artist's who specialise in Mural paintings? (don't anyone say Alasdair Gray :oops: ) Any artist's who are HG members?

The Scotland - Russia Trust is opening (hopefully) it's new Cultural Centre (Licensed of course) early next year in the general Kelvingrove direction.

We are looking for a Mural Artist to paint a Mural (indoors) approx 8.0m x 2.4m depicting Glasgow's relations with the then USSR during the Cold War.

It will be a paid commission to encourage an up and coming Glasgow / Glasgow based artist with a fairly open brief.

Probably should have run this past Sharon or the Mods first, but i'll take a chance. :wink:
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Postby Vladimir » Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:26 am

Is this a permanent thing? Im not sure in these days of all out rejection of socialism that this would be accepted :wink:
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Postby Fossil » Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:57 am

I know someone

can you give me a couple of days

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Postby Socceroo » Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:19 pm

Cheers Fossy.

And for Vladimir, yes it will permanent and yes it will have a Socialist theme to it. Not because we necessarily want it to be political, but because it is to reflect Social history / and warm connections between Scotland and the USSR during the Cold War.
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Postby JayKay » Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:33 pm

I love the idea of Glasgow getting a new socialist themed mural.

Keep us informed about the cultural centre...sounds v interesting indeed.
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Postby Vladimir » Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:53 pm

And for Vladimir, yes it will permanent and yes it will have a Socialist theme to it. Not because we necessarily want it to be political, but because it is to reflect Social history / and warm connections between Scotland and the USSR during the Cold War.


Dont worry, Im certainly not complaining. My political views are pretty clear :)
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Postby JayKay » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:12 pm

No complaints here either! :P
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Postby Sir Roger DeLodgerley » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:27 pm

Socceroo wrote: it is to reflect Social history / and warm connections between Scotland and the USSR during the Cold War.


Care to expand on that Socceroo? I recall that we were sworn enemies and that Glasgow was pretty near the top of the USSR's target list in the event WW3 kicked off.
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Postby Vladimir » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:19 pm

And the USA is our biggest and most loved ally...isnt that right :?
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Postby Dexter St. Clair » Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:24 pm

Care to expand on that Socceroo? I recall that we were sworn enemies and that Glasgow was pretty near the top of the USSR's target list in the event WW3 kicked off.


Not according to the USSR Nuclear battle plan recently revealed by the Polish Government.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1651131,00.html
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Postby Vladimir » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:48 pm

Love it how France avoids attack. They always choose the sensible way to do things, never annoy people too much ::):
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Postby Sir Roger DeLodgerley » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:57 am

You're fooling yourselves if you thing Faslane was going to be spared and I quote from the same Guardian article:

"The map shows a classic Warsaw Pact exercise - it was a 'counter' attack to defend itself by going all the way to the Atlantic."
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Postby Vladimir » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:21 am

Yeah, the plan released was probably just the first stages of nuclear war anyway...
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Postby escotregen » Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:08 pm

If this was the Warsaw Pact version of the WW3 strategy it was most certainly not an accurate portrayal of what the USSR had in mind. The comradeship spirit between the communist USSR and her Warsaw Pact subject-states did not extend to actually trusting them. After al,l the subject states' peoples had a naughty tendency to revolt at times against dictatorship such as in Poland in the 50s and again in the 80s.

In the 1970s when I ran into 'a wee bit of bother' on the East/West Berlin border crossing, there was not an East German troop or polizia in sight; it was all manned by USSR troops. This was in response to the earlier, tragic, abortive popular revolt in adjacent Czhechlovakia (spelling?). The USSR tanks beat the flower-holding people that time too.

Poland, like the U.K. was nothing more than a pawn in the USA and USSR cold war. One of the reputed plans to leak out after the collapse of the USSR was that there was a de facto understanding that if land war broke out on the European Continent and was escalating, the West would quickly use nuclear at battlefield level.

If this happened, the next stage would be for the USSR to retaliate with battlefield nuclear. If this had no result (either armistice or surrender from the West) there one one more 'final safety check' (No wonder the system was called MAD; Mutual Assured Destruction).

The final "look, we are really serious about this" stage would be for the USSR to obliterate the UK. At that point the USA was to decide whether it too was "really serious" or whether just to lift it's ball and go home.

Presumably, there was an equivalent sacrificial country on the Warsaw Pact side for the USA to play with. But we don't know, because our side 'won' and it's the winners who get to write the history.

One alternative scenario was the much feared 'first strike' that those dastardly Commies were always going to launch. In this case the whole of the UK, Faslane included, had to be fried for the first course in WW3. This was because the UK was the USA's nuclear aircraft carrier and essential to the USA's first strike capacity.

Of course most Cold War commentators probably now conclude that the USSR never had the type of nuclear preponderance that rendered it capable of a 'first strike'; it is now argued to be a fiction used by the USA to keep the UK onside... a bit like Tony Blair's use of the mythical 45 minutes WMD in Iraq to keep the UK public online?
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Postby escotregen » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:22 pm

Socceroo sorry but re above, I'm guilty of getting caught up in something that can annoy me - going 'off-topic' :oops:

What I meant say is that I'm at an Arts and Culture seminar tomorrow on the Culture Review and I will make enquiries in there about your search. I will come back later in the day with any feedback.
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