Project Updates: St Peter's Seminary

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Postby stevoooo » Tue Jul 06, 2004 6:46 pm

Set your videos for Tuesday 13th July, 10pm on BBC 4

There is a program called Restoration Nation, the sister programme to the BBC2 programme. The first one is from Scotland and features St. Peter's, covering the history plus future plans for the building and site.


Religion has shaped Scotland's history, and in turn its architectural heritage. A decline in Catholic congregations in the 1960s has meant that Cardross seminary, a unique architectural treasure built for trainee priests, became redundant almost as soon as it was built. In celebrating religion, Scotland has produced masterpieces of stained glass artistry unequalled anywhere in the world. And in the once rundown area of Roystonhill in Glasgow, the demolition of a local church galvanised a community to save the spire that remained. It became a potent symbol that led to the regeneration of the whole area. Some buildings hold painful memories. The people of Paisley want to remember the 71 children they lost in a tragic cinema fire in 1929 by restoring the picture house to its former glory. We reveal 300 years of window design and restoration in one of Scotland's grandest homes: Hopetoun House. And at Fenton Tower, near North Berwick, restoration is boosting tourism and the economy.
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Postby JayKay » Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:12 am

The press release on the St Peter's redevelopment, from the Glasgow Catholic Church Press Office. A bit long but I thought it worth posting so that you could get it from the horses mouth as it were.

Worth noting that it is they that describe it as post-modern, and the Herald Hack has just continued the error.

New Plans for St Peter's Seminary, Cardross

Planning Application lodged to transform run-down estate.

One of Scotland's finest examples of post-modern architecture together with
its surrounding estate could be re-opened for recreational use if a Planning
Application launched on Friday (2 July 2004) by the Archdiocese of Glasgow
is approved.

Under the scheme, the acclaimed ¹A-listed¹ St. Peter¹s Seminary building,
regarded as one of the finest works of Glasgow Architects Gillespie Kidd and
Coia, would be safeguarded and partially restored and Kilmahew Estate in
which the seminary building revitalised and opened up for the amenity of the
local community

Under this innovative scheme the Church would gift ownership to the local
community through a local management team following stabilization of the
listed building, restoration of the listed bridges and completion of
essential work to the estate.

The new scheme follows extensive consultation with the local council, the
community and interested amenity bodies together with Historic Scotland.

In addition to the stabilization and environmental works to the estate, 28
new homes will be discreetly located within the old walled garden with the
existing lodges on the estate being renovated for habitation. Money raised
from these sources will finance the works to the estate and buildings.

It is intended that the works will create significant local opportunity for
employment and training.


Launching the application, Archbishop Mario Conti, Archbishop of Glasgow
said: "This proposal will hopefully bring to an end a 20 year search for an
appropriate solution to the problem of how best to preserve the old seminary
building and the estate. The Archdiocese has spent substantial sums on the
property in an attempt to keep it secure. Our plans will involve a
significant improvement in amenities for the local population, the securing
of a vulnerable listed building and the gifting of the estate to a
management body to ensure a healthy long-term future.

"Over the years the Archdiocese has, despite all the difficulties of an
exposed site, gone to immense trouble and expense to act as a responsible
custodian of the fine architecture to be found within the estate. We have
worked hard to ensure these new proposals have the support of the local
population and we dare to hope that the planning department will view them
favourably."


Backing for the new plan also came from the local community. Chairman of
Cardross Community Council and local Church of Scotland minister, Rev Andrew
Scobie, said: ³There have always been close ties between Kilmahew and the
local Cardross community, and for long people enjoyed and valued access to
the estate. Community Councils have a statutory right to be consulted on
local planning matters and the present proposals for Kilmahew will assuredly
be given the full support of the Community Council.²

John Sheridan, Director of Classical House, the developer who would oversee
the transformation of the estate said: "We have assembled a skilled
professional team to take this complex but innovative project forward. The
intention is to ensure that the structure continues to offer opportunity for
re-use at some time in the future by resolving issues that prevent this."
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Abestos

Postby reginekierkegaard » Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:30 am

I went to Cardross seminary a few days ago, I noticed that the flooring of level 3, 4 and 5 are severely damage and there is some abestos looking insulating materials open to view. I think, to be on the safe side, we will need to bring a respirator (you can buy one from any DIY shops)
P.S. Abestos can cause lung cancer.
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Postby duncan » Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:30 am

interesting, can't say I'd noticed any asbestos on previous visits. nor are there asbestos warning signs (although that in itself doesn't mean anything). the floors have been in a bad way for a while (as in, all the wood's ripped up)
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Postby Sharon » Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:32 am

I think i took (a bad) photo of the insulating material on my last trip...let me see if that sheds anylight on this.

Even if it was asbestor, it'll probaly be damp and a pretty low risk.
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Postby Sharon » Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:38 am

Image

Isulating material?

Crap photo, but i was looking up at this on.... not sure which floor.
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Postby My Kitten » Sun Aug 15, 2004 10:58 pm

Dunno if this is to do with the application mentioned above but noticed this:

AREA - Helensburgh and Lomond
Application Ref: 04/01303/LIB Officer: Sandra Davies Telephone: 01436 658884
Ward Details: 36 Cardross Cllr. Ronald Kinloch
Proposal: Stabilisation/consolidation of St Peters Seminary including restoration of section through main building and restoration of listed bridges within the Estate.
Location: Kilmahew Estate Cardross Dumbarton
Applicant: Archdiocese Of Glasgow/Classical House
C/o Agent
Agent: Keppie Planning Ltd Grid Ref: 235282 678415
160 West Regent Street Glasgow G2 4RL
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Postby My Kitten » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:28 am

Visited the site 19th Aug with my brother who had been previously a couple of weeks before and he said he thought that some work had been done on cutting back foliage as well as welding to the main gate and collating debris inside.

I came away very impressed about the building.
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Postby kokotheclown » Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:20 pm

theres a show on tonight which will include footage of the seminary. The culture show on bb2.

more details and an update of conservation process in today's herald

http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/28164.html
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Postby My Kitten » Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:25 pm

Just watched it, smashing, although would've loved to have seen some more on it.
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Postby nodrog » Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:38 pm

The GlasgowArchitecture.co.uk website is trying to encourage some debate on the future of the site:

Cardross Ruin
Maintain the status quo, stabilise, reuse or destroy?
Please visit the Cardross Seminary page and offer your views


Details here:

http://www.glasgowarchitecture.co.uk/ca ... minary.htm
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Postby Closet Classicist » Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:22 am

Nodrog I got Adrian Welch (who hosts the glasgowarchitecture site) to post a letter from myself last week. Much as I love the building, and I know this won't be popular, I am begining to wonder if we should maybe call it a day? It would be good to generate debate. Penny Lewis from tjhe Trust has also been writing in the letters page of the Herald.

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Postby yourebarred » Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:17 pm

is the building close to houses etc?
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Postby duncan » Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:14 pm

yourebarred wrote:is the building close to houses etc?

not really. There is a golf course between the Seminary and Cardross village.
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another visit..

Postby leper_2000 » Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:02 pm

me and my aussie flatmate who does architecture paid the place a visit the other weekend.. havent sorted out my photos properly yet but i put a few (97 or so i think) on flickr .. some need a bit of adjustment and so on but hopefully il have that done soon and can post them properly. until then enjoy! we have about 300 in total so dont hold your collective breaths!
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