St Enoch Burn

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Re: St Enoch Burn

Postby Glesga_Steve » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:23 pm

Ronnie wrote:Hi Steve
Any chance of seeing the map at a bigger size ... it looks fascinating.
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Ronnie (and Hollowhorn),

I'd be happy to upload a scan of the full drawing - the problem is I only have access to an A3 scanner in my office. I'd have to make arrangements to have it scanned at our specialist printing/scanning facilities just outside Glasgow and I don't have sufficient time to spare during the working day at the moment.

If you are interested in a particular part of the city, I'm more than happy to scan particular parts and upload them. The drawing doesn't cover the whole city - I'll check it tomorrow but, from memory, it roughly covers from (west to east) Scotstoun to Parkhead and (south to north) Langside to Springburn.
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Re: St Enoch Burn

Postby AMcD » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:39 pm

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Re: St Enoch Burn

Postby Dave » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:03 pm

Wow, showing the location of the quarries upon which Queens St Station was built. Superb, thanks for that
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Re: St Enoch Burn

Postby HollowHorn » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:16 pm

Cheers AMcD, I'd never heard of the Brownfield Burn before. Anyone have any more info on it?
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Re: St Enoch Burn

Postby penguinmonkey » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:49 am

afternoon folks,

any chance of getting the southside of the city from Queens Park to the Clyde scanned and posted when you get the chance Steve?
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Re: St Enoch Burn

Postby Glesga_Steve » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:01 pm

Glesga_Steve wrote:I'm fairly sure that the Brownfield Burn doesn't exist any more - in the 15 years I've been in my job, I''ve never come across any reference to (or evidence of) it other than on the plan that I uploaded. In saying that, I've never had any reason to try to establish whether it still exists or not so I haven't went looking for references / evidence.

The photo you uploaded looks like the outfall from the CSO (combined sewer overflow) at the junction of Broomielaw / McAlpine Street. I have always suspected that the sewer in McAlpine Street may originally have been the culverted Brownfield Burn. This theory is largely fuelled by two factors - (i) the Brownfield Burn joined the Clyde in the general vicinity of where McAlpine Street is now; and (ii) the sewer in McAlpine Street is unusually large, in fact I'm sure from memory it's by far the biggest sewer in the city centre area.

There are a lot of CSO outfalls to the Clyde between Glasgow Green and the SECC - one at almost every road junction along Clyde Street / Broomielaw / Anderston Quay / Lancefield Quay. The reason there are so many is due to the fact that all the sewers that run from the city centre / Anderston area towards the Clyde used to discharge straight into the river. In the late 1800s/early 1900s a new trunk sewer (the Glasgow Interceptor) was laid east to west along Clyde Street etc to intercept the flows in these older sewers and (simplifying the sewerage layout here but...) drain them towards Dalmuir Sewage Treatment Works (in Clydebank). At the junction with each intercepted sewer, however, a CSO was built to allow excess flows to be discharged to the river, through the original outfall, during storm conditions.

If you were to walk along the south bank of the Clyde at low tide you would be able to see all the CSO outfalls. Similarly, if you were to walk along the north bank you would be able to see the same sort of set-up on the south side of the river - though there aren't quite as many on the south side.

I'll upload plans of this area over the next few nights to show the position of these CSOs.


Plan showing the sewerage layout at the junction of Broomielaw / McAlpine Street - the CSO chamber and outfall is indicated in dark blue.

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The sewer in McAlpine Street is huge - approx 4.3m wide by 2.3m high (arch shape I think). In terms of cross sectional area, this makes it the largest sewer in Glasgow (and probably also Scotland). There is no real reason for it to be as large as this but it isn't unusual in the context of the older parts of Glasgow as most Victorian sewers were much made larger than would be required by modern design standards.

Plans showing the sewerage layout at all 17 CSOs (on the north bank of the Clyde) between the SECC and Glasgow Green can be viewed by clicking here.
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Re: St Enoch Burn

Postby Glesga_Steve » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:59 pm

penguinmonkey wrote:afternoon folks,

any chance of getting the southside of the city from Queens Park to the Clyde scanned and posted when you get the chance Steve?


My memory wasn't that great - the bottom edge of the drawing didn't go quite as far south as I thought it did. Not as far as Queens Park but roughly to Calder Street (Govanhill). Here is a scan of that part of the drawing anyway...

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Large version can be viewed by clicking here.

For the area you asked about, I suppose the burn you might be most interested in would be the Blind Burn - though I'm sure I've seen old plans in the past which indicated that a tributary of the Sheilds Burn (aka Kinninghouse Burn) started in the vicinity of the northern corner of Queens Park.

There is a separate topic on the Sheilds / Kinninghouse Burn - click here if interested.
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Re: St Enoch Burn

Postby Glesga_Steve » Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:11 am

The interest in the Brownfield Burn got me thinking so I did a bit of checking on some old plans and found some further evidence of it.

Started a new topic rather than drag this one further off its original subject.

Click here if interested.
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Re: St Enoch Burn

Postby Gerry_R » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:58 am

toomse wrote:had a theory I could gain entry around Mitchell Street/Mitchell Lane/Gordon Lane but have checked almost all these boxes to no avail


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wonder if this triangular grille would be suitable for the jorrie championship
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looks like it's gone to history (for the time being anyway)


Based on the maps already posted I thought i'd do a bit of reading up on the St Enoch Burn as by all accounts it flowed into the Clyde so did a bit of google mapping and found this, the location of this seems to be match the older maps.
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Re: St Enoch Burn

Postby Glesga_Steve » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:21 pm

Gerry_R wrote:Based on the maps already posted I thought i'd do a bit of reading up on the St Enoch Burn as by all accounts it flowed into the Clyde so did a bit of google mapping and found this, the location of this seems to be match the older maps.

That's the outfall from the combined sewer overflow situated at the junction of Clyde St / Dixon St.

The St. Enoch Burn (aka Glasgow Burn) doesn't exist anymore.
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Re: St Enoch Burn

Postby Anorak » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:10 am

Stumbled upon a few snippets about the source and course of St Enoch's Burn while I was researching something totally unrelated.

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The source seems to be marked by the line of trees just west of the “Road to Keppochhill and Possil” at “St. Rollocks” near the banks of the Forth & Clyde Canal before it met up with the Monkland Canal.
There is a boundary line drawn on the map immediately south of the burn. I've got no idea what it represents.
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Re: St Enoch Burn

Postby MungoDundas » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:50 pm

The map on page 1 of this topic shows 'Boundary of Royalty'.

Sorry to go off this topic, but still on burns though...

I was trying to find a Greenbank Burn that seemingly flows parallel to Crow Road
through Broomhill (?) and joins the Hay Burn heading for Partick.

Apparently the 'Greban' Golf Bag is a shortened form of Greenbank, as they were
manufactured at Tomlinson's Works between Dumbarton Rd and Norval St. near the burn?

How can I find the route of the burn on these vintage maps?

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