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Postby Cyclo2000 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:00 pm

and this might be the kinda opportunity we need...
WORK AND OTHER DEAR GREEN FABLES
By Brian Miller
Cumbernauld Theatre Company
Fri 29 June @ 7.45pm
Tickets £8/£5
Welcome to the 2007 Saint Mungo Grieve Memorial Lecture to hear Hugh Clyde (Glasgow Man) on his favourite theme 'work' - a subject studied by many, performed by few. Sharing sliders with Jimmy Maxton and rubbing revolting shoulders with Jimmy Reid - Hugh's list of jobs has been endless. Now the act of work is extinct, Hugh's the ideal choice of speaker, escorting us through a menagerie of Glasgow Folk Heroes, including Agnes Dawson (champion riveter and spitter), Kurt McKenzie (Adolf's second-in-command) and not forgetting Uncle Frank - a Condorrat barricade-maker during the great strike.

We're delighted to re-unite local artist/writer Brian Miller and actor Ron Paterson, for this rollicking one-man show, first performed at the Theatre in June 1977.

Come and meet the author and director of the show in the Festival Bar afterwards for a chat, and get 50p off a drink. See our bar page for more information.
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Postby Jamesie1970 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:09 pm

Cyclo2000 wrote:"They talked of building where the Train Station is, but couldnt because of ?old Mines and ?Railway plans, and a feeling that Railways were gonna be a thing of the past."

I've heard a different version to the ones expressed in your comment and the planners notes.(viz there wasnae enuff space)

I've heard it explained away as a zoning struggle. C-nauld was halfway split between two councils and the dominant one (Monkland I presume) wanted the INDUSTRIAL rates as they're much more lucrative than the domestic rates. Therefore the toonie got pamped on the hilltop instead of down in the valley. The Carbrain spine didnae get built cos the other cooncil (Lanarkshire?) bulit houses where it shoulda been. It was gonna be a bank with trees on the top, I believe.
The abscence of the banking and the non appearance of the other two thirds of Copcatts (admittedly wild) scheme left much of the toonie a windswept, desolate deck.

What do you think of our chances of looking some of these old geezers up? Maybe we could set up a meeting somewhere...the theatre would seem ideal. And this is the 50th year of Cumbernauld....


Ive heard and read that too.

Ive a picture somewhere with a curious hill where the Health Centre was, which I wondered might be a part of the elusive spine.

As I said on another post, Ive an offer to meet Brian Miller the town artist.
And I know a bloke who worked in the CDC offices, now retired so of the right sort of age though I dunno what he did there, and Im sure a friend has a friend whose Dad did some of the landscaping plans?

Id love to meet these blokes. But unfortunately I live in Essex and wont be able to use these admittedly lame contacts till late June.

Ive wanted to do something about Noddy land for years, and now Im chomping at the bit at the opposite end of the country.
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Postby Jamesie1970 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:13 pm

Cyclo2000 wrote:and this might be the kinda opportunity we need...
WORK AND OTHER DEAR GREEN FABLES
By Brian Miller
Cumbernauld Theatre Company
Fri 29 June @ 7.45pm
Tickets £8/£5
Welcome to the 2007 Saint Mungo Grieve Memorial Lecture to hear Hugh Clyde (Glasgow Man) on his favourite theme 'work' - a subject studied by many, performed by few. Sharing sliders with Jimmy Maxton and rubbing revolting shoulders with Jimmy Reid - Hugh's list of jobs has been endless. Now the act of work is extinct, Hugh's the ideal choice of speaker, escorting us through a menagerie of Glasgow Folk Heroes, including Agnes Dawson (champion riveter and spitter), Kurt McKenzie (Adolf's second-in-command) and not forgetting Uncle Frank - a Condorrat barricade-maker during the great strike.

We're delighted to re-unite local artist/writer Brian Miller and actor Ron Paterson, for this rollicking one-man show, first performed at the Theatre in June 1977.

Come and meet the author and director of the show in the Festival Bar afterwards for a chat, and get 50p off a drink. See our bar page for more information.

BINGO!

Its through Ron Patterson via my Maw that Ive got an intro to BM!!
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Postby Cyclo2000 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:15 pm

Late June you say. I refer the gentleman to the post I made regarding the 29th of June just on the previous page...

And before I get beaten to it, the Theatre are showing Cumbernauld:Town for Tomorrow on the 24th of June.
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Postby Jamesie1970 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:27 pm

Cyclo2000 wrote:Late June you say. I refer the gentleman to the post I made regarding the 29th of June just on the previous page...

I think weve crossed mail.
Never mind. Look at this...
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Postby Jamesie1970 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:31 pm

Cyclo2000 wrote:Late June you say. I refer the gentleman to the post I made regarding the 29th of June just on the previous page...

And before I get beaten to it, the Theatre are showing Cumbernauld:Town for Tomorrow on the 24th of June.

Ha! You were beaten to it!

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Interesting...one of the architects still lives up beside the theatre. Name of George somebody or other. Lovely house he has too.

Didnt know that.
Cant think who he is either.
Im gonna follow up that introduction though. Its through a friend of my Mother who told BM about my anorak tendencies.
The theatre has a film evening June 24th showing some interesting things for the 50th birthday of the new town. Not just Gregory either.
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Postby Cyclo2000 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:47 pm

Corking picture. I'm not entirel;y sure about the fella "George". I met him once or twice cos we used to park the car in his street when we were going for a session in the cottage (regulars known hilariously as "cottagers"). He took me and Mrs Cyclo round his garden after we'd engaged him in conversation once or twice. Claims to have met Hans Wegner, more, to have known him - and Aalto, too.
Haven't been to the theatre since an incident a while back (over a year) but thinking of returning. I'll see if I can speak to the man again.
Can't help but reflect that so far Hidden Cumbernauld consists of Jamsie and ol'Cyclo though.
I don't have a membership for the architectural sites that hold some of these reports. It'd be interesting to see some of 'em. Similarly, Town for Tomorrow as well as some other films used to be available for download but only if you were in Education or somesuch. Scottish Film, I think...
Tell a lie
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/film/id/681646/index.html

There's links to other films too.
Side issue but relevant...
I grew up in Stra'ven as any fule no, and the next village along was Stonehouse. Their used to be a big sign about a mile and a half outside Stonehouse, at Glassford Bridge in fact, proclaiming it as "Stonehouse New Town" I've never met anyone who knows a thing about this plan.

This might work at home, my office PC won't play it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/history/scotlandonfilm/media_clips/clip_display.shtml?topic=newlife&subtopic=new_towns&clip_name=town_planning_cumbernauld_v&media_type=video
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Postby Jamesie1970 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:08 pm

Means we are visionaries. They'll catch on.
My Kitten showed an interest, and you aint seen the piccies Im plannin! Im just glad to bore strangers rather than Mrs Jamesie and my Maw, who as we speak is sorting through the family archive. She may still have the resdents handbook from circa 1967...

Re "Cumbernauld: Town For Tonorrow"...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/history/s ... =new_towns

And this may interest...
http://www.bestlaidschemes.com/moviezone/

Im sure Ive seen a map of proposed new town sites somewhere, might be in that second film, Im not too sure where Stra'van is on the map though...
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Postby Cyclo2000 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:41 pm

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1477-9730.1974.tb00036.x

In 1973, a plan was proposed to turn Stonehouse into a "New Town" receiving a population of 35,000 from Glasgow, with the likelihood of an increase to 70,000. This was instigated due to the poor living conditions in urbanised Glasgow. However the plan was reviewed in 1977 and abandoned due to a change of policy by the Government. Many had been in favour of the proposal due to the proposed influx of industry and investment, however others feared the threat to Stonehouse's thriving, close-knit community. John R.Young's book "Wha's like us?" describes one of the main attractions of the town as "it's community spirit and character where every face is familiar and news travels fast". The New Town would have certainly threatened this community togetherness.

What a loada bollocks! You can say what you like about the 'Nauld (and a lot of people do) but the sense of community here, particularly amongst the original transplantees, is astounding. It's more like a village than a village is, and i should know cos I grew up in a ...village. Err...

This document on t'interweb re stonehouse may shed a bit o' light on C-nauld town centre's strange position (midieval hillfort my bahookey) as the first few pages deal with zoning issues between Lanark and hamilton councils.

http://www.lgbc-scotland.gov.uk/minutes/1970s/1975/3%20June%201975.pdf

I found some info about a Peter Youngman, landscape architect who apparently "worked on the 1956 masterplan for Cumbernauld New Town - designing the forest which helps protect this windswept site from North Atlantic gales." Which forest is that then?
Further investigation brings up the nugget that Cumbernauld was the only Scottish New Town designated by the Conservatives, hence the zoning for private housing so near the megalith.

This is interesting...many foto's of Abronhill town centre
http://www.paperclip.org.uk/Cumbernauld/abronhill.htm
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Postby Jamesie1970 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:11 pm

Heres a hit list of what Id like to see up here

Broom Road
Arns Road
Fannyside Road
Kilt Road
The old road behind Hawthorn Road
The Bridge and The Bell at the Railway Station
Those older houses in Carbrain/Greenfaulds
YMCA in Kildrum
The Village
Castlecary Bridge
Railwayway bridges in the glen
Abandonned mine entrances in the Glen and Glencryan
Luggiebank

Then there are the many houses, bridges, underpassess, murals, sculptures, paths, roads and junctions used and abandonned, that were part of the New Town Plans.

If anyone is there ahead of me in June, take a camera...
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Postby Cyclo2000 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:28 pm

Ever heard of
PRESENT GRANDEUR: TOWN PLANNING - THE NEW TOWN OF CUMBERNAULD (1966) ??

It's new on me. Scottish TV, apparently.

http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/title/320207?view=credit
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Postby Jamesie1970 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:45 pm

Oh, Cyclo...

http://www.northlan.gov.uk/leisure+and+ ... index.html

Down near the Tyre place?
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Postby JayKay » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:02 pm

Jamesie1970 wrote:Heres a hit list of what Id like to see up here

Broom Road
Arns Road
Fannyside Road
Kilt Road
The old road behind Hawthorn Road
The Bridge and The Bell at the Railway Station
Those older houses in Carbrain/Greenfaulds
YMCA in Kildrum
The Village
Castlecary Bridge
Railwayway bridges in the glen
Abandonned mine entrances in the Glen and Glencryan
Luggiebank

Then there are the many houses, bridges, underpassess, murals, sculptures, paths, roads and junctions used and abandonned, that were part of the New Town Plans.

If anyone is there ahead of me in June, take a camera...


I'm there most of the time, I can start getting some pics if you like.
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