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Postby HollowHorn » Thu May 04, 2006 11:05 pm

sharon wrote:Who dow e need to speak to

Ask Alex ::):
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Postby allyharp » Fri May 05, 2006 7:41 am

Ally Doll wrote:As far as pub canopies go, here are the garish ones on Whistler's Mother compared to the nice subtle ones on Peckhams.

Those Whistler's Mother canopies are shite. Have you tried walking past them? I'm not exactly tall but if I was just an inch taller I'd be having to duck.
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Postby Toaster » Fri May 05, 2006 8:01 am

Schiehallion wrote:People know the harm fags, drink and fish suppers do to them. It's their choice so they don't really need your moralising.

And as far the gross exaggeration of wading through smokers to get to your flat goes may I respectfully suggest you move to a croft in Sutherland where not only are there no hordes of smokers to push through but you can get away from the nasty exhaust fumes outside your flat as well.

Jeez oh. Cheers. It's an opinion, get over it. Counts about as much as yours.

Anyway, canopies over streets was a Thompson proposal back in 1868. Different city we'd be living in now if that'd caught on (though I doubt they'd have survived the War)!
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Postby Schiehallion » Fri May 05, 2006 1:30 pm

Toaster wrote:Jeez oh. Cheers.


You're welcome.
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Postby macca734 » Fri May 05, 2006 1:38 pm

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crusty_bint wrote:Thanks all. Toaster, do you honestly believe that not installing these canopies will dissuade the crowds of smokers you have to wade through? If you do you are very naive.

Certainly not naive - smokers are one hell of a persistent lot. I mean the amount of information out there now about what it does to you and those around you, combined with the obvious fact that cigarettes smell and taste like sh!t on a stick, and still something like a third of folk do it. But every now and then, the wee light bulb goes on, and one or two look at their next fag and say, hang on, whit's this crap? Anything that helps that is fine by me. Ultimately I'd just find it funnier walking through wee crowds of smokers huddled in misery.

Or perhaps you'd rather the taxes just went up and up?

Nimbyism? Oh aye, definitely. Who says a pub has to have an awning for smokers? Sorry CB, I enjoy your stuff on the Forum loads (and the awning codes thing is a good idea) but if you're looking for sympathy to smokers, talk to the hand :)


What the fuck are you talking about?

Smokers pay enough on tax already; most of the cost of a packet of fags is tax. A lot of the money the NHS waste on focus groups, more managers and strategy reviews is provided by the tax of tobacco.

And who buys a flat near a pub then whinges about having to wade through its patrons to get to his front door? You started the post off by telling us how dangerous smoking it is (so by extension you were going on about the misery the diseases will cause) then end by saying you would find it funny to see miserable smokers.

I agree with the other guy. If you hate living next to a pub so much, buy a fucking farm with a big track leading to it in the middle of nowhere. Living in an urban envrionment there are certain things your poor wee eyes and immune system will have to cope with, including smokers and canopies that advertise bevvy.
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Postby crusty_bint » Fri May 05, 2006 1:51 pm

Toaster wrote:Anyway, canopies over streets was a Thompson proposal back in 1868. Different city we'd be living in now if that'd caught on (though I doubt they'd have survived the War)!


Yes, we know. We also know Thomson has no P.
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Postby Ally Doll » Fri May 05, 2006 2:14 pm

allyharp wrote:
Ally Doll wrote:As far as pub canopies go, here are the garish ones on Whistler's Mother compared to the nice subtle ones on Peckhams.

Those Whistler's Mother canopies are shite. Have you tried walking past them? I'm not exactly tall but if I was just an inch taller I'd be having to duck.


I think this is indicative of the problem with these new awnings - they're being thrown up too quickly without real consideration, and probably with prompting from the drinks industry (given the advertising factor).

I don't really think it's worth going on about the smoking ban - it is why pubs are putting them up, but for me it's a reasonable compromise when people have been chucked out of their nice warm pub, and they do retract when not in use. Maybe if I lived on the first rather than the fourth floor it might bother me, but if you live above a pub (I used to) things like the hum of extractor fans and noise can be much more annoying.

I agree that awnings are a nice thing when done properly but, like the picture I posted of Whistler's shows, this isn't being done properly. This, I would imagine, is precisely why the Community Council in question objected to the awnings. These cheapo ones just look crap and do nothing to enhance the area (where old stylee ones unemblazoned with advertising probably would)

As far as I'm concerned, good sturdy old fashioned awnings = good thing, nasty looking awnings = bad thing.
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Postby My Kitten » Sat May 06, 2006 4:13 pm

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crusty_bint wrote:Was good to meet you too HH - and remember, I bought a round too (it was the women who were cheap :twisted: )


I'll buy everyone a round with my first buroo cheque!

Pub Canopies - The Quaich has some rather nice ones, will try and get a pic when I'm passing next.



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Postby crusty_bint » Sun May 07, 2006 11:49 pm

Those actually don't look bad on the keekh ( :wink: ) even though they are the very projection screen types I saw on Kilmarnock Rd. I suppose it's down to the Quaich actually having a rather nice frontage aided, in large part, by the uniform fascia and signiage.

Anyone any pics of the worse example you've seen?
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Postby HollowHorn » Wed May 10, 2006 11:35 pm

crusty_bint wrote:Anyone any pics of the worse example you've seen?


Titter. :wink:
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Postby AndrewM » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:04 pm

crusty_bint wrote:On the subject of canopies, I was amazed to read that the Shawlands and Strathbungo Community Council have opposed proposals by several pubs to install these kind of canopies to afford us leper colonies of smokers a little protection, lest we die of pneumonia before the cancer has time to develop.

Anywho, to the point: I dont understand this opposition and I don't understand whose view the Community Council are under the impression they are representing? Is anyone here involved with the CC or know more?


Just came across this old post but I thought I would respond to it. I'm involved with the SSCC and can explain the concern of canopies. In most of Shawlands and Strathbungo these canopies will be directly below someones window. With lots of pubs open until midnight it means that you can create noise polution. As a Community Council we exist to represent the views of the local community. With funding of £10 per week, to cover perhaps 10,000 people, it is hard to canvas opinions unless people come along and make their views known.
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Postby crusty_bint » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:23 am

I wasn't knocking the work the CC do, nor trying to berate or belittle the group, just the way that particular scenario was handled, or at least, how it was portrayed at the the time.
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Postby Dexter St. Clair » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:22 am

crusty_bint wrote:I wasn't knocking the work the CC do, nor trying to berate or belittle the group, just the way that particular scenario was handled, or at least, how it was portrayed at the the time.


Community Councils are the bodies that like to say no. The fact thet there is no canopy does not mean smokers won't congregate outside the door of the pub. Community councils objetc to bus shelters, they object to pubs and anything else they think might upset their constituency of pensioners. The only good thing about Community Councils is the torture they apply to Councillors who turn up religiously to be bored to death at their meetings.
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Postby Alex Glass » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:55 pm

Dexter St. Clair wrote:
crusty_bint wrote:I wasn't knocking the work the CC do, nor trying to berate or belittle the group, just the way that particular scenario was handled, or at least, how it was portrayed at the the time.


Community Councils are the bodies that like to say no. The fact thet there is no canopy does not mean smokers won't congregate outside the door of the pub. Community councils objetc to bus shelters, they object to pubs and anything else they think might upset their constituency of pensioners. The only good thing about Community Councils is the torture they apply to Councillors who turn up religiously to be bored to death at their meetings.


As one of those who religiously attend Community Council meetings I must commend the work of the dedicated volunteers who give up their time to improve the communities in which they live.

It is important that people participate in the work of the Community Council. The CC has a vital role to play in ensuring that public services are delivered. They are also statutory consultees in planning, licensing and many other matters relating to community life.
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Postby Doorstop » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:27 pm

*Doorstops' Tuppence Worth* :

I fear the distinctive, homely {aka: 'The Personal Touch'} shop front has died a death .. mostly due to rampant commercialism and the apparent need for product identity to be 'homogenised' .. more's the pity!

But I wish we could bring back the 'personal touch' to shopping .. it seems to have been eradicated to all but those have the money to be remembered by nothing else bar their spending power.

Time was you were remembered in a shop for being ' a nice bloke' or 'he tells a good joke'.

It now seems you only get a smile if you have a platinum card (not me!) or spend a fortune every time you show your face (again .. not me!).

It seems that 'fiscal depth' counts more than depth of character these days.

*gives a maudlin sigh then goes to brew his Horlicks and heat his 'Big Slipper' in the microwave*
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