Bombs over Glasgow in WW2

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Postby HollowHorn » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:01 pm

How many folk in the UK at present?
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Postby Socceroo » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:05 pm

HollowHorn wrote:Hard to put an image on that amount of folk, multiplications of Parkhead or Ibrox? How do you put it into manageable numbers?


When i was in Ukraine, my wife took me to her town's main war museum, outside it overlooking the River was a huge "Mother Russia" type statue.

Leading up to it was a very wide and very long polished stone footpath, with what i thought was an anti - slip pattern on the stone tiles...only it wasn't an anti slip pattern, it was the chiselled out names of all the war dead who were buried in a mass grave under our feet. Very chilling and very emotional.
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Postby My Kitten » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:06 pm

I'd love to go to the Ukraine, still trying to tug the family heart strings on that one.

Roo do you have any pics?
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Postby Socceroo » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:14 pm

Aye, tons but they are mainly pre - digi days and i'll need to scan them, lots from Rostov - on - Don too, so that's the excuse i'll put them under the town twinning thread which i saw on here somewhere, before we go on a complete tangerine.
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Postby My Kitten » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:22 pm

Smashing

Ive got a rostov on don badge somewhere too
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Postby HollowHorn » Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:11 am

I have many original photographs of the Childrens Sculpture, but alas, no Scanner :cry: This event, more than any other single event, sums up for me, the depth of depravity to which humanity will sometimes sink.

The annihilation of the Czech town of Lidice is one of the most notorious instances of the Nazi practice of reprisal.

On May 27, 1942, Reinhard Heydrich, head of the RSHA, the Reichsprotektor of Czechoslovakia, the man who had convened the Wannsee Conference only four months previously, was severely wounded in a grenade attack on his car near Prague by two Czech parachutists sent from London by the Czech government-in-exile. The two Czechs managed to leave the scene and took refuge in the Karl Borromaeus Church in Prague.

On June 4, Heydrich died of his wounds. The Nazis swore revenge: they ordered the execution of ten thousand Czechs and threatened the expulsion of millions. The Karl Borromaeus Church, where the assassins and more than one hundred members of the Czech resistance were hiding, was besieged. Everyone in the church was killed by the SS.

In Lezaky, a village east of Prague, where the assassins' radio transmitter was discovered, every adult was killed. The children were forcibly removed to Germany for "reeducation," a process that only two of them survived.

At dawn on June 10, all the residents of Lidice, a village ten miles outside Prague, were taken from their homes. They were shot in batches of ten at a time behind a barn. By late afternoon, 192 men and boys and 71 women had been murdered. The other women were sent to concentration camps. The children were dispersed, some to concentration camps, although a few who were considered sufficiently Aryan were sent to Germany. The SS then razed the town and tried to eradicate its memory. The name of Lidice was expunged from all official records.

The Czechs were stunned by the Nazis' brutality. They also came to view resistance activities with considerably less enthusiasm. The assassination was so unpopular that the Czech government-in-exile denied all responsibility for it, even after the war.

Apparently as a "tribute" to Heydrich's memory, his SS colleagues gave the code name Operation Reinhard to the Final Solution to the Jewish Problem carried out by the General-Government in Poland in the death camps of Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka.


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The 82 Children from Lidice, who were Killed in Chelmno :

BREJCHA
Josef
1937

BULINA
Josef
1930

BULINOVA
Anna
1928

BULINOVA
Jaroslava
1931

CERMAK
Jiri
1930

CERMAKOVA
Miloslava
1934

CRMAKOVA
Bozena
1932

FRUHAUF
Jiri
1938

HEJMA
Karel
1934

HEJMA
Frantiasek
1928

HERMANOVA
Jaroslava
1939

HOCKOVA
Marie
1932

HONZIKOVA
Vara
1929

HOCKOVA
Marie
1932

HONZIKOVA
Bozena
1929

HRONIK
Zdenek
1934

HRONIKOVA
Bozena
1929

HRONIKOVA
Marta
1941

HRONIKOVA
Zdenka
1930

JADLICKA
Vaclav
1937

KACL
Karel
1934

KAFKOVA
Vara
1936

KAIMLOVA
Anna
1929

KOBERA
Jaroslav
1932

KOBERA
Vaclav
1936

KOBEROVA
Milada
1931

KOBEROVA
Zdenka
1934

KOVAROVSKA
Hana
1937

KOVAROVSKA
Ludmila
1937

KOZEL
Antonin
1935

KRASOVA
Venceslava
1935

KUBELA
Rudolf
1938

KULHAVY
Frantisek
1935

KULHAVY
Jaroslav
1929

LISKA
Miloslav
1936

MIKOVA
Milada
1936

MORAVCOVA
Jitka
1940

MORAVEC
Vaclav
1931

MULAK
Karel
1930

MULAKOVA
Marie
1927

MULLER
Zdenek
1937

NERAD
Antonin
1928

NOVA
Alena
1938

NOVOTNA
Milada
1927

PEK
Antonin
1934

PELICHOVSKA
Emilie
1927

PELICHOVSKY
Vaclav
1932

PESEK
Josef
1934

PESKOVA
Anna
1936

PESKOVA
Jirina
1935

PETRAK
Miloslav
1931

PETRAK
Zdenek
1933

PETRAKOVA
Jirina
1927

PETRIK
Zdenek
1941

PITINOVA
Marie
1931

PODZEMAKY
Stepan
1938

PRUCHOVA
Vera
1926

PRIHODOVA
Josef
1930

PRIHODOVA
Anna
1926

PRIHODOVA
Jaroslava
1940

PUCHMELTROVA
Venceslava
1928

RADOSTA
Miloslav
1936

RAMES
Vaclav
1933

RAMESOVA
Jaroslava
1940

ROHLOVA
Bozena
1934

RUZENECKA
Jirina
1929

SEJE
Jiri
1936

SOUCKOVA
Jirina
1930

SOUCKOVA
Marie
1928

SOUCKOVA
Miloslav
1929

STRAKOVA
Jarmila
1939

STRAKOVA
Ludmila
1940

SUCHY
Josef
1941

SYSLOVA
Wiroslava
1928

SROUBEK
Josef
1934

SROUBKOVA
Marie
1927

STORKOVA
Jaroslava
1932

URBAN
Antonin
1930

URBANOVA
Vera
1937

VANDRDLE
Josef
1928

VESELA
Dagmar
1936

VLCEK
Karel
1935

ZELENKA
Jaromir
1940

ZID
Ivan
1934

Ach
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BOMBS OVER GLASGOW

Postby Socceroo » Tue May 09, 2006 11:09 pm

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Kelvingrove Museum 1941. Exhibits are inspected after Luftmine fell in Kelvin Way resulting in damage to the Museum.

Interestingly the notes with the photo cite that it was a mine which fell in Kelvin Way which took out 50 tons of window glass in the Museum. Previously i had read elsewhere that the Kelvin Way Bridge bomb was smaller.

This would be the same mine which took out the windows on Glasgow University's Bute Hall up on Gilmore Hill. This gives you an idea of the range and devastating effect of Luftmines.

It would not have been a night for cycling down Kelvin Way that night.

These were real terror weapons which were responsible for many and perhaps the majority of Glaswegians and visitors to the City who were killed during raids.

Nelson Street in Tradeston, Deanston Drive in Shawlands, Kilmun Street in Maryhill and Govan Road are just some of the locations where these weapons landed and took out entire buildings, parts of streets and which resulted in multiple fatalities.
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Postby swavmcav » Wed May 10, 2006 9:02 am

Deanston Drive?

Did the mine fall on the the site of the nursery school?

I lived in a flat oppossite and when I came to sell, one of the questions from the buyer's solictor was about the metal strapping on the building, round the bay windows.

I had never noticed this until that point and someone told me that it may have been bomb damage.

That would explain things.

My father lived in Tradeston as a child during the war and says they rarely went to the shelters in the back court (probably wouldn't have been much good anyway by the sounds of it). They remained in the tenement and he recalls feeling as if every stone in the building had lifted, seperated and resettled back in place when a bomb fell nearby.

It might need metal strapping after that!
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Postby crusty_bint » Wed May 10, 2006 12:48 pm

The metal strappings were added to a lot of tenements from the late 1970's onwards. The process is called tying and is done to restrain bulges and movements in the walls. The Nursery site is far too small to have been a result of one of these Luftimines so I suspect it would be the the gap site in the sandstone tenements where the Council-type housing now stands (see page 4 of this thread).
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Postby Socceroo » Wed May 10, 2006 9:17 pm

According to information that i have, the Nursery in Deanston Drive was the site of the heavy bombing and parachute mine which resulted in so many fatalities.

Also the South West end of James Gray Street opposite was rebuilt as it was partially destroyed. If you look closely you can see that the front facade of this cluster of tenements are all built in very regular machine cut clean red sandstone with a relatively modern ventilation grille (post war) built into the solumns.

If you look at some of the blonde sandstone balustrades to the parapets of tenements on Deanston Drive near the nursery you can see that some of the stone spindles are missing and there is shrapnel damage to the pilasters also.

As Crusty says a lot of Glasgow Tenements are tied together to prevent wall spread and minimise the effects of settlement etc. Most Glasgow Tenements were assessed by Structural Engineers during the massive tenement refurbishment programme of the late 1970's - late 1980's.
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Postby Pgcc93 » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:32 pm

I was using Local Live to check out some former WW2 sites around Glasgow and found these bomb craters on the Kilpatrick Hills high above Alexandria near Bonhill.
Made me wonder if there are any others still visible?
This was the site of a Decoy City that was used to lure the German bombers away from strategic areas of Glasgow and the Clydeside. I wouldn't have fancied being in the command bunker when those near misses landed!


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Postby Pripyat » Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:19 am

Pgcc93 wrote:I was using Local Live to check out some former WW2 sites around Glasgow and found these bomb craters on the Kilpatrick Hills high above Alexandria near Bonhill.
Made me wonder if there are any others still visible?
This was the site of a Decoy City that was used to lure the German bombers away from strategic areas of Glasgow and the Clydeside. I wouldn't have fancied being in the command bunker when those near misses landed!

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Pgcc93, good research. What's that greener straight strip at the 2 o'clock
position to the command bunker?
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Postby Alycidon » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:04 am

What is the map reference for this please?
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Postby Pripyat » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:24 am

Alycidon, roughly

55 degrees 58 mins N

4 degrees 31 mins W

Can't find the positional data on Live Local :(
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Postby Alycidon » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:34 am

Pripyat wrote:Alycidon, roughly

55 degrees 58 mins N

4 degrees 31 mins W

Can't find the positional data on Live Local Sad


Cheers Pripyat, I was looking further West, looks like water filled craters at 55deg 58' 11"N 4deg 31' 60"W and also just to the immediate north west.

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