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Re: Southern General Redevlopment

Postby RDR » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:59 pm

Guacho wrote:
Alycidon wrote: thanks to the proximity to Shieldhall sewage treatment works the place always seems to stink.


Not often these days- enforcement orders from SEPA over the last few years have resulted in this being uncommon.

Commonly quoted misconception :D

See your misconception? It was honking this afternoon.
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Re: Southern General Redevlopment

Postby bigstevie » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:12 pm

All i could smell today was , dirty Danny's chip pan fat......
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Re: Southern General Redevlopment

Postby Josef » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:00 pm

bigstevie wrote:All i could smell today was , dirty Danny's chip pan fat......


There's a Blue Lagoon franchise there, then?
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Re: Southern General Redevlopment

Postby Guacho » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:42 pm

RDR wrote:
Guacho wrote:
Alycidon wrote: thanks to the proximity to Shieldhall sewage treatment works the place always seems to stink.


Not often these days- enforcement orders from SEPA over the last few years have resulted in this being uncommon.

Commonly quoted misconception :D

See your misconception? It was honking this afternoon.


No smell my end..........

or should I rephrase that :)
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Re: Southern General Redevlopment

Postby RDR » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:20 pm

Guacho wrote:
RDR wrote:
Guacho wrote:
Alycidon wrote: thanks to the proximity to Shieldhall sewage treatment works the place always seems to stink.


Not often these days- enforcement orders from SEPA over the last few years have resulted in this being uncommon.

Commonly quoted misconception :D

See your misconception? It was honking this afternoon.


No smell my end..........

or should I rephrase that :)


Are you in some sealed building on the site?
Stood outside A&E talking to one of the doctors this morning and the smell was vile.
Maybe you've been on the site so long you've become immune to it?
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Re: Southern General Redevlopment

Postby Guacho » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:31 pm

Rank today ::):
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Re: Southern General Redevlopment

Postby Fat Cat » Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:59 pm

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RDR wrote:It needs to be huge, as the entire site will eventually have approx. 10,000 staff on it. To put that in perspective Motherwell has a population of 8,000. So its the size of a small town.


That's surely complete nonsense. Motherwell? 8,000 population? I've been to games at Fir Park where there were more than three times that many folk, and I doubt that -as per the evil twins - they are drawing support from areas without the faintest geographical connection.

HappyGlasgowGuy wrote:I happen to work down at the Southern in the lab block, and can confirm that it stinks something rotten down there. If you go a full week without having to deal with the sewage works then it's heaven.

The parking issue is a total nightmare just now, and the proposed additional bus routes (especially for those north of the Clyde) just aren't happening. To put things into perspective, I live 4 miles from the hospital, right through the tunnel. We've all been told that we shouldn't be driving to work and instead get buses. Now, this 4 mile drive takes me around twenty minutes in busy traffic and yet to use buses, I'd need to get one into the bus station and then one back out, making the journey time (including the times waiting for buses) nearer the 1 hour 45 minute mark.

They've messed up big time with this one, there was no need to build such a massive hospital. If only they had invested a lot of that money into targeting areas with the lowest life expectancy in Glasgow and aiding them rather than building a super hospital.


1. It's a truism that you can never have enough parking spaces. I do agree that the transport to the SG- and to anywhere in the region of Govan generally - is appallingly convoluted. Nothing 'goes via'. Everything starts or terminates at Govan.

Nonetheless : 1 hour 45 minutes for a four mile journey? Bollocks. You can walk that far in an hour, let alone sit on your arse. PM me your postcode and I'll sort a route out for you.

2) "there was no need to build such a massive hospital". Yes, there was. DGHs don't work for anything other than minor complaints. Whilst I sympathise with folk who will have to travel miles to get to their nearest A&E/Maternity/etc, they'll be better off.

3) "If only they had invested a lot of that money into targeting areas with the lowest life expectancy in Glasgow and aiding them rather than building a super hospital." I'd agree that that's the most effective option, Politically, it's not. See any number of "Save our local deathtrap!" campaigns.

Were you to say that a bit of joined-up thinking is needed re public transport to the SG, I'd thoroughly agree. Anymore (currently) inaccessible destination in central Glasgow it'd be hard to think of.


Local hospitals are key to healh and well being. Take a scenario where an old female patient is admitted to the SGH from Easterhouse because A&E at the Royal is shut. She is found to be too ill to return home and is admitted. Because beds are being cut in GRI, she can't be transferred so remains in the new monolith. Her 80 old year old husband can't visit because he doesn't drive and the bus service is shite. What's the solution? The east end of Glasgow time and again is called the poorest area in the city yet Glasgow Royal Infirmary is being left to rot while the Southern is a moneypit. GGC policy of centres of excellence is also another white elephant doomed to failure.

Staff are also being "encouraged", ie telt, nae cars, or else.
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Re: Southern General Redevlopment

Postby RDR » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:39 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
Josef wrote:
RDR wrote:It needs to be huge, as the entire site will eventually have approx. 10,000 staff on it. To put that in perspective Motherwell has a population of 8,000. So its the size of a small town.


That's surely complete nonsense. Motherwell? 8,000 population? I've been to games at Fir Park where there were more than three times that many folk, and I doubt that -as per the evil twins - they are drawing support from areas without the faintest geographical connection.

HappyGlasgowGuy wrote:I happen to work down at the Southern in the lab block, and can confirm that it stinks something rotten down there. If you go a full week without having to deal with the sewage works then it's heaven.

The parking issue is a total nightmare just now, and the proposed additional bus routes (especially for those north of the Clyde) just aren't happening. To put things into perspective, I live 4 miles from the hospital, right through the tunnel. We've all been told that we shouldn't be driving to work and instead get buses. Now, this 4 mile drive takes me around twenty minutes in busy traffic and yet to use buses, I'd need to get one into the bus station and then one back out, making the journey time (including the times waiting for buses) nearer the 1 hour 45 minute mark.

They've messed up big time with this one, there was no need to build such a massive hospital. If only they had invested a lot of that money into targeting areas with the lowest life expectancy in Glasgow and aiding them rather than building a super hospital.


1. It's a truism that you can never have enough parking spaces. I do agree that the transport to the SG- and to anywhere in the region of Govan generally - is appallingly convoluted. Nothing 'goes via'. Everything starts or terminates at Govan.

Nonetheless : 1 hour 45 minutes for a four mile journey? Bollocks. You can walk that far in an hour, let alone sit on your arse. PM me your postcode and I'll sort a route out for you.

2) "there was no need to build such a massive hospital". Yes, there was. DGHs don't work for anything other than minor complaints. Whilst I sympathise with folk who will have to travel miles to get to their nearest A&E/Maternity/etc, they'll be better off.

3) "If only they had invested a lot of that money into targeting areas with the lowest life expectancy in Glasgow and aiding them rather than building a super hospital." I'd agree that that's the most effective option, Politically, it's not. See any number of "Save our local deathtrap!" campaigns.

Were you to say that a bit of joined-up thinking is needed re public transport to the SG, I'd thoroughly agree. Anymore (currently) inaccessible destination in central Glasgow it'd be hard to think of.


Local hospitals are key to healh and well being. Take a scenario where an old female patient is admitted to the SGH from Easterhouse because A&E at the Royal is shut. She is found to be too ill to return home and is admitted. Because beds are being cut in GRI, she can't be transferred so remains in the new monolith. Her 80 old year old husband can't visit because he doesn't drive and the bus service is shite. What's the solution? The east end of Glasgow time and again is called the poorest area in the city yet Glasgow Royal Infirmary is being left to rot while the Southern is a moneypit. GGC policy of centres of excellence is also another white elephant doomed to failure.

Staff are also being "encouraged", ie telt, nae cars, or else.


FC its a good analogy except beds haven't been cut at GRI. What's been taken out of GRI is a lot of the more specialised services, like Urology and Vascular for example and replaced with an AAU and more general medical beds and COTE beds.
If you applied what you are saying to someone in Castlemilk with the Victoria being shut then that might work better...
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Re: Southern General Redevlopment

Postby Fat Cat » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:54 pm

Elderly beds at the Royal have been cut.
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Re: Southern General Redevlopment

Postby Guacho » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:33 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
Local hospitals are key to healh and well being. Take a scenario where an old female patient is admitted to the SGH from Easterhouse because A&E at the Royal is shut. She is found to be too ill to return home and is admitted. Because beds are being cut in GRI, she can't be transferred so remains in the new monolith. Her 80 old year old husband can't visit because he doesn't drive and the bus service is shite. What's the solution? The east end of Glasgow time and again is called the poorest area in the city yet Glasgow Royal Infirmary is being left to rot while the Southern is a moneypit. GGC policy of centres of excellence is also another white elephant doomed to failure.

Staff are also being "encouraged", ie telt, nae cars, or else.


That's OK if you are happy to be treated locally by a half-trained doctor and no support services such as radiography 24/7 or adequate levels of nursing staff. On the consolidated sites your relatives might have further to travel to visit you, but at least you are more likely to be alive when they do.
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Re: Southern General Redevlopment

Postby Guacho » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:33 pm

Fat Cat wrote:Elderly beds at the Royal have been cut.


medical beds have been increased
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Re: Southern General Redevlopment

Postby RDR » Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:46 am

Guacho wrote:
Fat Cat wrote:Elderly beds at the Royal have been cut.


medical beds have been increased


and the plan would be for older patients, they would go into those beds before being assessed for treatment on the older care wards.
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Re: Southern General Redevlopment

Postby RapidAssistant » Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:25 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
Local hospitals are key to healh and well being. Take a scenario where an old female patient is admitted to the SGH from Easterhouse because A&E at the Royal is shut. She is found to be too ill to return home and is admitted. Because beds are being cut in GRI, she can't be transferred so remains in the new monolith. Her 80 old year old husband can't visit because he doesn't drive and the bus service is shite. What's the solution? The east end of Glasgow time and again is called the poorest area in the city yet Glasgow Royal Infirmary is being left to rot while the Southern is a moneypit. GGC policy of centres of excellence is also another white elephant doomed to failure.

Staff are also being "encouraged", ie telt, nae cars, or else.


I can empathize with that scenario as I was in it a couple of years back - the old man had a minor heart attack and was initially admitted to GRI, where it was found he needed stents put in - but then needed to be transferred to the Golden Jubilee in Clydebank to have said procedure done.....so off he went two days later, but then I had to traipse all the way out to the opposite end of the city to bring him back to the East End. All because GRI doesn't do any cardiovascular any more.
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Re: Southern General Redevlopment

Postby Fat Cat » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:20 pm

Guacho wrote:
Fat Cat wrote:Elderly beds at the Royal have been cut.


medical beds have been increased


But geriatric beds have been cut and when that specialist directorate merges with medicine they will all but disappear. Medicine do not want elderly patients "blocking" their beds.
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Re: Southern General Redevlopment

Postby Guacho » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:02 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
Guacho wrote:
Fat Cat wrote:Elderly beds at the Royal have been cut.


medical beds have been increased


But geriatric beds have been cut and when that specialist directorate merges with medicine they will all but disappear. Medicine do not want elderly patients "blocking" their beds.


Not cut, relocated
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